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mircea_popescu: in the legal sense.
asciilifeform: so in what sense is the reconstruction available.
mircea_popescu: it does not color this discussion.
asciilifeform: yes, if you see it in the shop, and grab it first, it costs 0.10 rub.
mircea_popescu: hey, don't blame the hammer because idiots stick it up their ass. we already discussed the "inane collective rulesets" thing above.
asciilifeform: it is 'available' like toilet paper was in '92 su.
mircea_popescu: and i would similarly not object to land offered in fee simple if the immunity were separately available to reconstruct alodial title
asciilifeform: not in the typical american residential sector.
mircea_popescu: ofcourse they are.
mircea_popescu: yes, but i can't acquire the title to that to heal my defect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are typically not available.
mircea_popescu: just because two items are separated to ease commerce does you no harm. buy them togetrher.
asciilifeform: the condo corp.'s claim to prevent my drilling of the walls at least makes some kind of physical sense
mircea_popescu: nothing keeps you from buying WITH the rights.
asciilifeform: but i will say, if mircea_popescu laughs at the condo title owner, who doesn't have right to demolish the walls or drill through the floor, how is this situation any different from the rancher who does not own the oil ?
mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of ranchers ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: you know anything of the history of the industrialization of the west ?
mircea_popescu: why is this idiocy ?
asciilifeform: and much, much earlier, they invented the idiocy of 'mineral rights'
mircea_popescu: in the us peculiarly.
mircea_popescu: but it took like 50 years'; wrangling to sort out
mircea_popescu: lots of these.
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mircea_popescu: except in the us - quite a lot of legal precedent re spite spikes
asciilifeform: even with supposedly 'sane' titles.
asciilifeform: and in most countries one is not permitted to erect an antiaircraft battery
asciilifeform: (it is there but not yours to cut)
asciilifeform: e.g., there is a cable easement
asciilifeform: quite a few american titles are encumbered in one way or another
mircea_popescu: yeah but this is why sanew people do not own real estate in the ustardia.
asciilifeform: 'i want to farm.' 'sorry no pigs allowed in this town'
mircea_popescu: "also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!" ☟︎
jurov: here from law follows that you really own only air between the walls in a condo
asciilifeform: we have this with ordinary land here in usaschwitz
mircea_popescu: and the problem doesn't end with egress. suppose i wanna take down a wall. "can't - building will collapse" "but my title ?" "fuck your title, our wall".
asciilifeform: he was the original, arguably greatest, joe stack
asciilifeform: so he built the bulldozer.
asciilifeform: adjacent holders managed to box him in on his land, without egress
mircea_popescu: so then... lol.
asciilifeform: they typically have independent doors.
mircea_popescu: well how's this work on condominium ?
asciilifeform: in usa this is called 'easement'
mircea_popescu: consequently, splits of property are required to include servitudes on the outer plots.
asciilifeform: it is no more odd than american land titles, that come 'without mineral rights'
mircea_popescu: ok, but title is about some important things. for instance : can't acquire title on good without egress.
asciilifeform: in the sense of being bought/sold, centrally registered, etc.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does it work similarly.
asciilifeform: so it's a cement slab rather than earth.
asciilifeform: ru has perfectly legit title on apt, in comparison.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa there exists, somehow, title on 'condominium' - but it is strange, you still have to pay 'service fee' that is quite similar to the cost of renting a flat
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the custom of shitholes, such as romania, russia etc, is to issue title on apts.
mircea_popescu: (this is rather sensible - wtf is the meaning of title on an indivise real estate item ?)
mircea_popescu: this is unclear, but in general i doubt it can be acquired other than buying the whole building.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's it cost ~with~ title ?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414578 << also ftr, i don't own (even in the curious sense contemplated here) even 1 room. ☝︎
asciilifeform: turns out he was posting from ru prison all this time...
mircea_popescu: now they're too touchy-feely to put the foot down.
mircea_popescu: argentina suffers from a bit of german pox. specifically, they had a military junta in the 70s, it beat the shit out of the tards, but eventually failed economically.
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 16:44:07; danielpbarron: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/29968/1/blind-fingering-dates-are-london-s-latest-craze >> The process is simple. You head to the class, strip off from the waist down, and lie across an unknown, fully-clothed man while he strokes your clitoris.
asciilifeform: but how much time mircea_popescu spends beating'em
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their poisonous influence is felt throughout.
pete_dushenski: catharsis, gets you off, like diddle her twat club
asciilifeform: how much time does mircea_popescu personally spend with nags.
asciilifeform: you would have to come up with some incentive, aha
mircea_popescu: best way to fix this shithole, really.
mircea_popescu: actually come to think about it, that's what i should do. start a "beat nags club". get a prize per extracted tooth or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like that yeah.
asciilifeform: and in india you can see cows stopping traffic, as if important...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so "what they're on about" is the once in a lifetime hurricane, the homegrown pope, the meteor, the exceptional event that they have no frame of reference with which to process
mircea_popescu: as it is, it's fucking common to see an entire outdoor cafe filled with nothing but singles of these derps sitting there all important and shit.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen it. they really should up beating of women by about 1000x. especially those over 50.
asciilifeform: i realized that i have mostly nfi.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what they're on about, 40mn country has ~1 murder per decade or some shit.
asciilifeform: where i live it is this liberast term re: the chinese custom of selective aborting
pete_dushenski: menstruation is also outrageously biased, more anal-spikes needed to rectify this social crisis
mircea_popescu: nah, apparently govt doesn't like males disciplining the household cows.
mircea_popescu: as if anyone could possibly not be outraged by the proposition that murder is gender-different
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this the chinese abortion thing?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the fancy socialmedia tards are all about how "femicidio" is a thing.
pete_dushenski: why not just require 20' of barbed wire on top of all building >2 stories ? because it can't. still, "we tried" (tm)
asciilifeform: (runs clang, produces fancy-looking nonsense. walk through the pictured branches, and see how it gives a martian result)
mircea_popescu: yeah but afais it doesn't do any of htre things claimed ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean... does the code do any of the things it claims ?
pete_dushenski: "not a single woman less" << exactly subject of last contravex. city here goes through whole charade trying to prevent bridge jumpers... off one one single bridge
asciilifeform: i think my screenshit explains ?
mircea_popescu: lol wtf is this scitools thing lmao
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck they reason, they should hang one per each intersection, that'd fix many problems
mircea_popescu: no reports in the press, of course, they're too busy discussing how "not a single woman less" because totally, they're killing to many women around here, appartently.
asciilifeform: l0l just when i thought i had the best zimbabwe here.
mircea_popescu: they all have this plaintive "whio could have foreseen" and "we have to go to the judge to make this right" etc.
mircea_popescu: they appear as little notifications in the buildings, by the elevators (this is how i know about how widespread the problem is - originalyl)
asciilifeform: and some centralized record that x paid for y.
asciilifeform: at least in sov. 'kooperativ' apartment, there was paper.
asciilifeform: let the 'buyers' fight, who 'bought' first.
asciilifeform: and what, precisely, prevents the seller from selling it twice ?
pete_dushenski: a husband and wife working are greater than the sum of their parts in argenmaths
mircea_popescu: i would say about 80% of individual holders in the city hold their property as unpriviledged creditors of a company they do not control.
mircea_popescu: but they do. i know this for a fact.
asciilifeform: again why would anyone pay for title-less real estate thing