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mod6: Again,
this is for -recompile- only. Not for initial build. Not for newbs either.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious
to hear about how long
the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 01:38:12; asciilifeform: supposing
that anyone gives a fuck.
assbot: GitHub - fulldecent/system-bus-radio:
This program
transmits radio on computers without radio
transmitting hardware. ... (
http://bit.ly/1RFk7xN )
jurov: i mean just something like "....total of 8335 words.
Total 8335 S.QNTR shares are issued
to:"
jurov: BingoBoingo: In my reports I prefer
to have duplicate numbers instead of omitting, so
that I'm sure I don't forget something.
BingoBoingo: The WoT, many
thought
they could find an easier, softer way...
BingoBoingo: Of course
the solution in
the long run is
to stop
trying
to do
the kind of deals which make
this wankery a possibility
BingoBoingo: The scammed dude asked me how
to present his dilemma in a way
that makes sense
that
this was
the distillation I found most obvious
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently
the dude sold
the site
to another dude and retroactively converted
the sale into a lease by claiming US copyright law.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in
the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered
to receive ratings.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated
to use
the rating system.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pretty much
the definition of pet is gets
to do what it wants, but many pets
take suggestions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im writing a qntra piece re
the
thing, gimme an hour.
BingoBoingo: Of course not, but mebbe keccak miner can be pet project for pet
to play with? Every cat needs string, or in
their absence lasers.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wake me up when it's
time for
the keccak knife. << Is
there a possibru lAb project here?
jurov: mircea_popescu: mpex.biz does not recognize my sig and mpex.site
threw error 500
trinque: jurov: adlai: deedbot- node chewed his wallet.dat into pieces again, re-importing key. on my list of
tasks for
this week is
to look into using shiva interfaces for
this.
mircea_popescu: typical behaviour of spider unaware
that what it's
trying
to catch is a wasp.
that eats spiders.
mircea_popescu: why what ? why b) ? because it's way
the fuck safer for
them if any would-be competing cartel starts with a half hour disadvantage.
mircea_popescu: nah, usg doesn't figure into
this as much as a prince albert.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we're at
the chinese phase of exchanging insults.
mircea_popescu: anyway. at present
the best short-term course is, of course, publicizing
the matter.
mircea_popescu: whatever mining may be, it's not jsut
the codebase
that's broken. bitcoin, per se, is not currently functional.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not
that it'd actually do anything, just adds a gauge.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla im still
thinking what
the best solution
to
this would be, but as far as bitbet is concerned quite likely something like
that.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 23:27:41; mircea_popescu: anyway. miners must be broken, burned and
the land fucking salted.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much. i don't see what else is
there.
this is
the fabled hour of reckoning, best i can
tell
kakobrekla: i guess its
time
to add 'raw hex
tx' data for re-broadcasting
to bitbet resolved bets
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is fine and good. however - i nicely structured
this specifically
to satisfy my own inquisitive mind. i am satisfied.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 23:16:38; mircea_popescu:
the problem is broadly speaking
that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and
that fixing it necessarily requires changing
the pow
to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc.
mircea_popescu: look, i know oodles of people have observed what
to
them seems "just normal wierdness"
kakobrekla: anyway, for as long as
the original
tx is not included you must be careful not
to spend
those inputs in another
tx. even if
that means forever.
kakobrekla: thats one explanation however
taking in account my own experiences with it - i am by your definition insane.
mircea_popescu: moroever, both of
these are factual matters, on
the basis of observed behaviour.
mircea_popescu: both of
these are serious concerns, and both of
these are, strictu sensu, sufficient
to prove, not
to propose,
that bitcoin is not actually functional.
mircea_popescu: b)
the same majority of miners is running a withdheld block scheme, where
they keep about a half hour
time differential between
the ACTUAL head of
the bitcoin chain and what
they published.
mircea_popescu: a) a majority of miners (ie, pool operators) on
the bitcoin network conspire
together
to selectively deny valid
transactions
mircea_popescu: about half an hour AFTER
that inclusion,
transaction A1 was REBROADCAST, and within 20 minutes of its rebroadcasting, in spite of no fee, low miner priority etc, was included in a block.
mircea_popescu: about
three hours ago,
tx B, with
the same outputs as An, but with different inputs was broadcast.
this
tx was visible in
the mempool
throujghout
the network as normal, and was included in a block in half an hour.
kakobrekla: you pay out bet A with inputs Ia and sufficient fee.
tx gets 'lost', not confirmed. people bitch. you post
the
tx hex so people
them selfs can re-broadcast it. however for as long as
that
tx is not included in
the block you can not spend
those same Ia inputs.
mircea_popescu: a flurry of other
txn, all spending
the same inputs and paying ever more in fee were broadcast up until, most recently, march 1st (~16 hours ago).
mircea_popescu: throughout
the following 48 hours, neither A1 or A2 were visible on
the network.
mircea_popescu: as a result,
tx A2 was created, monday, spending
the same inputs, paying a fee, and was broadcast.
mircea_popescu: later
throughout
the weekend,
tx A1 was not visible in
the bitcoin network, in spite of being broadcast
to 100s of peers.
kakobrekla: because you leave it
the bitcoind
to select
the inputs.
kakobrekla: its not impossible you will make a
tx from some inputs, which will be 'forgotten' and say fuck you [i only a slight problem so far as long as
the
tx hex is published and can be rebroadcast] and
then later on use
those same inputs for another
tx [i have a larger problem with
that]
mircea_popescu: i can't comprehend what you're
trying
to argue here. you're roughly in
the position of a prison warden facing an empty cell and a hole in
the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls"
kakobrekla: flood of
txes + 0 fee
tx brings about good chance of falling out block readers
mircea_popescu: the only anyone who can destroy a
txn is
the anyone who controls
the mining.
mircea_popescu: in fact - once you have 51% you can withhold blocks forever with impunity -
time works in your favour.
kakobrekla: anyone could have done it as long as it fools you
that it has been 'forgotten'.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla only miners in control of well over 90% of hash can attempt
this sort of inept shit.
mircea_popescu: why do you expect you see block data ? chinese miners have
their own pre-time network.
kakobrekla: it could be malicious act by someone who won
that bet. saw a 0 conf
tx and
tried
to
take advantage of
this what just happened.
ben_vulpes: waiwut how does it make economic sense
to not release blocks?
mircea_popescu: understand : at
the
time you saw it as "broadcast" it was ALREADY included in a block
kakobrekla: actually no need
to rebroadcast in
that case, you can just include in block - would not see it as uncofirmed at all.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, had it in sidepool for 4 days, waiting
to see if i repay it without doublespent. which i did.
today. 2 hours ago.
mircea_popescu: they're witholding blocks (what, you
think
the blocks you see are
the blocks at
they're mined ?!),
they're withholding
txn now, etc.
kakobrekla: for all we knowKnCMiner or whoever mined it, had it in his mempool all
this
time.
kakobrekla: you cant just delete
tx from EVERYONES mempool
mircea_popescu: it was a 20 minute old
txn at
the
time it was included in a block.