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mircea_popescu: it also says
txn get
thrown out of pools after x days.
nubbins`: ^
this is what you'll get as a response no matter how well
thought-out your explanation is
PeterL: and "the code is
the spec", so
the spec says first
txn see overrides any later (regardless of fees)
mircea_popescu: congrats, you've formed a
theory about a selection of
the facts on record.
PeterL: 0fee
txn, nodes hold onto it (but don't rebroadcast), later when backlog is smaller
they broadcast it
nubbins`: what did happen was mp got very upset and
the
topic changed
nubbins`: no such "falling apart" was witnessed, upon review of
the logs by ALL parties present.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 02:59:17; mircea_popescu: sturle's
theory fell apart upon examination in chan.
mircea_popescu: we discussed
this
that same day he made it. plox
to check your copy of
the logs.
PeterL: can you not see sturle's comment, seems
the most logical
to me?
nubbins`: ^ as you can see, lots of hand-waving and rhetoric is
the best response mp can dig up when under fire
mircea_popescu: with any luck it'll be something like "miner cartel, what a ridiculous idea - not like
the anon derps involved are a) known
to be idiots and b) have certain incentive do do exactly
this! moreover,
the much simpler explanation is
that... uh... uh... mp conspiracy! and scam! and fraud! and he doesn't care about bitcoin! and i'm an idiot
that'll show him!!11"
nubbins`: PeterL i
think he's hinting
that
text is
too hard and he needs an infographic
mircea_popescu: but,
time's not wasted, go forth and write down your proposed simplest explanation.
nubbins`: the only reason we'd need
to sink is if cappy's
too proud
to use em
nubbins`: we've got all
the coolant and gaskets RIGHT HERE
nubbins`: asciilifeform maybe
the captain can just refund
the gum and pee for gaskets and coolant,
the ship's financial officer OKs it, life goes on, ego bruised but
the sub still floating?
mircea_popescu: PeterL
this statement would be a lot less ridiculous had
the "simplest explanation" been actually formed as
the article even encourages
the reader
to do!
nubbins`: i wouldn't put
too much weight behind mp's bitbet experience
PeterL: the qntra article is illogical and jumps
to
the conclusion you want, ignoring
the simplest explanation
mircea_popescu: but in any case,
there is a substantial difference between "i
think X on
the basis of my personal experience" and "mp said x on
the basis of bitbet experience as documented on qntra". exactly of
the sort and caliber as
the difference between "i
think
there exist alien" and "here's pictures of man walking on
the moon", in fact.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: somehow
the difference between
this and
that keeps getting elided.
nubbins`: that's
the basis of my as yet unanswered fraud accusation
nubbins`: PeterL yes, precisely. section 3.2 (h) of bitbet's listing agreement forbids
this.
mircea_popescu: initially i
thought
that "nodes" is a meaningful
term, but what i see now is a large ball of node with a bunch of sattelites
that have ~ no importance flattering
themselves into
thinking
they're part of a network.
nubbins`: bitbet keeps a 100% reserve, not a 200% reserve, which is why we know B's inputs had
to have been mp's personal funds.
dooglus: because it seems unlikely
to be
true. A1 had an uncommonly high priority, way over 100 million
mircea_popescu: this is a minor point.
there are better bits. such as -
that an
transaction known but not advertised constitutes
the simple definition of "transaction withholding".
PeterL: there is no spec,
they can order
transactions in whichever way
they want
nubbins`: asciilifeform mp's anger morphed into "this
theorem was disproven" in his broken brain
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 16:18:56; mircea_popescu: in any case, at
the
time
this was discussed in
the logs,
the miner priority was in
the 9th decile, about 16% of
the global mempool.
nubbins`: at any rate, being a 0a corp,
the funds from B weren't bitbet's. regardless of who owned
them.
nubbins`: dooglus it would seem
that mp did it on his own accord. bitbet is a "zero asset" corporation, and
thus doesn't own any capital;
there was nowhere for a second 17btc
to come from.
dooglus: I'm new
to
this whole bitbet payout mess, but read somewhere
that
the 'B'
transaction was made after receiving advice
to do so. Who advised it, and why?
nubbins`: after all, it's more about ego
than logic or facts
nubbins`: although i guess if s.bbet can break its listing agreement with impunity, it can also stop providing signed financial statements
to MPEx with impunity
nubbins`: sadly, it will be mp's ego
that costs him
the loss either way
nubbins`: asciilifeform kakobrekla is probably wondering what
the future holds for him, as he is currently being forced
to decide between PGP signing a fraudulent financial statement or losing his livelihood. i envy him not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the way it worked, from
the beginning, was
that he did
the site and i did admin and payouts.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: by all means. hence, " and if
there's a single icann in
the lot with enough actual gumption
to put
together a hostile
takeover package, i'll certainly consider it."
☟︎ PeterL: and when
the ceo of a company consitently makes mistakes, he gets fired
nubbins`: not when
the ceo makes a mistake on his own
time, out of his own pocket,
the company doesn't
nubbins`: "when
the ceo of a company makes a stupid mistake,
the company pays for it"
gribble: don't like fraud? shut
the fuck up or i'll vastly inflate expenses
nubbins`: ;;echo don't like fraud? shut
the fuck up or i'll vastly inflate expenses
mircea_popescu: PeterL when
the ceo of a company makes a stupid mistake,
the company pays for it.
there are exactly no exceptions
to
this rule, nor will
there ever be. morever, even when what
the ceo does isn't a stupid mistake,
the shareholders still pay for it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and i suppose i'm going
to have my own legit complaints about how much
this
thing costs
to run, and start billing by
the hour, and in fiat, and
the legit complainers can run off
to
the bank with
their bitcoin and pay, or somesuch nonsense.
PeterL: mircea_popescu made a stupid mistake, and now he makes
the shareholders pay for it
mircea_popescu: gumption
to put
together a hostile
takeover package, i'll certainly consider it.
mircea_popescu: the shareholders can have all
the legit complaints
they want, about anything
that happens whatsoever. we can all hold hands and sing kumbaya about our legit complaints
that bitcoin doesn't work, and we would like it
to, and it should be fixed by other people at
their expense so we can continue our lifestyle undeterred. meanwhile - nonvoting shares can be sold, and if
there's a single icann in
the lot with enough actual
nubbins`: it's interesting
to see a man's will fight cold logic
nubbins`: either way, introducing a private debt
to s.bbet is plainly breaking
the listing agreement, and
the method by which mp has proposed
to discharge it is also plainly breaking
the listing agreement
PeterL: for
the record, I agree with nubbins` about bitbet
transction
mircea_popescu: (imagine, as a subtopic,
the wonder of computing if hardware came with guarantee "unless used for uinappropiate purpose" and
then coders had
to write code
that didn't void any warranties.)
mircea_popescu: well it's certainly voiding
the warranty, as
that's not what
the ram is for.
nubbins` is curious
to hear opinions of others re: bitbet fraud, but fears
that he'll be
the only one sticking up for
the investors
mircea_popescu: anyway. 2 has a much more obvious solution, if as discussed not exactly
trivial and wtf are fibonacci stacks.
nubbins`: after all, 17 btc is one
thing, pride is another
nubbins`: asciilifeform but something
tells me
that s.bbet is going
to be a "scam investment" from here on out.
nubbins`: asciilifeform ideally it'd be settled by mp admitting he was grossly incorrect and revising
the statement
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:40:39; shinohai: I still have faith
that one day my pogo will sing.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:38:44; dooglus: oh, I was also wondering - is it normal
that
the
trb build process downloads and builds
the linux kernel?
nubbins`: trinque "Professional means
that you respect your elders, on account of
their superior experience, which makes
them better people
than you. "
nubbins`: yeah, "now". maybe you should read
the rules
too, or shut
the fuck up and get out
trinque: nubbins`: got an axe
to grind with everyone now?
nubbins`: "You are free
to be as offensive, annoying, disparaging, crass, crude or indecorous you feel
the need or inclination
to be.
This includes any and all comments
that in other, non-professional venues may be regarded as racist, sexist, chauvinist, fascist or whatever else. Pros don't give a shit, it's
the clueless
twits and assorted pretenders
that do"