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nubbins`: also, your fief (F.MPIF) went into hibernation only 6 months after you made it
to
the lordship list. not a great showing by any measure.
nubbins`: "being a lord is not an empty honor, but
the honor of recognition, by your peers, for a useful purpose. If you aren't doing anything you broadly speaking can't be one, and if you are one it is upon you
to show up in court and help settle matters (and in
the process help
the other lords understand you and predict your future moves)"
nubbins`: and
there's one more
talking head floating around here on mp's side
nubbins`: because he can just give alf a pile of useless shares
that he apparently can't even afford
to cash out
nubbins`: consider
that MP has enough money
to pay alf double current salary for next decade, cardano could be out in
the world, but chooses not
to
nubbins`: under
the illusion
that it's for some greater good.
nubbins`: i'm saying
that by paying his workers only in shares, mp gets people
to work for free.
nubbins`: you're putting all sorts of words in my mouth
today
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>nubbins`: do you
think it would have made a difference
to me, if i had been paid $12k ? <<< i'm not saying you should have
taken
the same amount of $$ for running s.nsa as i should have for a dozen hours' work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's severances like
these days, for non-monkey non-management sorta jobs ? is it
true, ibm offer ~what everyone really gets, coupla k's an a lolipop ?
nubbins`: so got $12k bezzlars worth of btc for
the actual work and a fat stock warrant for free
nubbins`: consider: mircea_popescu wanted
to pay for eulora heraldics in stock warrant only
nubbins`: asciilifeform no,
that's not what i said.
nubbins`: understand
that being "paid" by mp in shares is just a fish hook
nubbins` is one of
the few
to be paid in money for services provided rather
than in shares
gribble: phf was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <phf> "experimental" forms
to compensate for lack of rigour.
hanbot: at
the rate
this is going, i'd almost rather be sent back
to
the forum, honestly.
nubbins`: PeterL anything with revenue has more revenue
than s.nsa
PeterL: it has more revenue
than S.NSA
nubbins`: i'm fighting for
the side of logic and reason
nubbins`: asciilifeform nor do i, understand
this!
nubbins`: and kako got quite upset and said
thanks a lot for ruining any chance of getting mp
to reverse his decision
nubbins`: the guy said
that if i made mp angry, mp would dig in his heels and not change mind no matter what.
nubbins`: asciilifeform
there was no other way for me
to say it.
nubbins`: i am guessing
that kako is furiously fighting
this fire behind
the scenes
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 18:14:50; nubbins`: begged me not
to humiliate mp, so
that bbet could continue
nubbins`: "i was not even aware of any of it" vs 3.2 (d)'s
text: "All decisions with regards
to any aspect of BitBet ... will require unanimous agreement of all
the representatives of BitBet."
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:31:53; kakobrekla:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424891 <
this is not so. it was not bitbet experience (for example i was not even aware of any of it) and publishing your interpretation on qntra does not assert absolute
truth, it just
tells everyone who reads it what you
think.
nubbins`: you can also see with naked eye where kako asserts
that mircea_popescu broke 3.2 (d) of listing agreement?
nubbins`: sure. in
the meantime, i'll point out
that he's had ample opportunity
to sign
the financials
nubbins`: note
that S.BBET feb 2016 financials remain unsigned by kako.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see how it's not fully
torn, but hey, maybe just me.
nubbins`: but, fuck mp, so
the humiliation proceeded
nubbins`: begged me not
to humiliate mp, so
that bbet could continue
☟︎ nubbins`: incidentally
this was
the idea from
the start
☟︎ nubbins`: but because i went on
the offensive, mircea_popescu simply cannot back down.
nubbins`: the funny
thing about all of
this is
that if i'd approached
the sitation with humbleness and humility,
the report would already be changed
mircea_popescu: but now i have
the ~option~
to do
this. back
then, i didn't.
PeterL: mircea_popescu if you were
to start rota now, what would you do differently?
mircea_popescu: because apparently i don't know how
the world works, and haven't properly groked
the memo about how "reality is enacted by convention" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: it broke down, because by now social consensus is
the principal guide for people. and so...
the
trier of fact established some sort of social consensus and was very surprised when my reaction was
to simply disolve it.
mircea_popescu: this system worked more or less for a while, which is
to say up
to maybe
the 1920s. back
then people had some sort of relation
to reality.
nubbins`: mp's ad-hoc approach
to life fails more often
than it succeeds
nubbins`: remember
the massive money-losing loophole?
nubbins`: the rota was a brutal flop
too
mircea_popescu: traditionally, in
the common law at least,
the jury is
the
trier of fact ; with
the judge establishing
the legal meaning of
those facts.
mircea_popescu: at
that point, i was
trying
to get a court system off
the ground, similarly with random people as judges.
mircea_popescu: we had an idiocy of ~this caliber back about
three-four years ago, which newcomers particularly bored and people without anything
to do are invited
to read.
nubbins`: remember when mp was
trying
to get him in here?
mircea_popescu: the matter
to be resolved exactly one of
two ways : fixing
the report or fixing
the wot.
nubbins`: looky: if anyone feels up
to
the
task,
they can
take
the lordship list and put each member's past accomplishments and current works under
their name. maybe see once and for all who cuts
the mustard and who cuts
the cheese.
assbot: The greatly anticipated BitBet (S.BBET) February 2016 Statement on
Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1Ryzbug )
PeterL: mircea_popescu but clearly
there is
the expectation
that people inside your WoT will say something if
they
think your report is wrong
nubbins`: i have no idea why some of you cannot see
this place as nothing more
than a "cool kids club"
mircea_popescu: if
the people who matter
think anything of it, it may see
the life of day. if not... a well.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of
the internet generally is
that otherwise unemployable bits of social refuse can offer
their unsolicited
takes on
things.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu's statements about
the bar raising seem
to directly back up my assertion
that hanbot needs
to get
the heave-ho.
mircea_popescu: as
time goes on,
the bar raises, and many/most/whatever can't cope.
PeterL: <asciilifeform> nubbins` also seems
to be arguing
that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? <<
the beauty of publicly published financials is
that we can call out
things we
thing are misrepresented
mircea_popescu: yes, lordlist was seeded, like everything else (bitcoin included) with very low effort , and very low bars, which is how people like nubbins made it in.
this is both fine and
the right
thing.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu also won't entertain serious allegations of fraud,
to nobody's surprise
nubbins`: ooo, mp implies
that he doesn't respect jurov's intelligence
mircea_popescu: but by and large,
the problem seems
to be
that either
throgh simple immersion, or sheer intellectual laziness, or a mix or whatever, lots and lots of people have SERIOIS
mircea_popescu: jurov plox
to quote rather
than imagine.
this imagination hasn't served you well in
the past, won't start
to at any point.
danielpbarron: PeterL,
this is like
the "I would gladly pay higher
taxes" argument. So go, pay. Make a gracious donation.