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mircea_popescu: speaking of ancient arcana - who even noticed
that
the soviet ideas of central planning are a direct calc copy off
the way
turkish empire ran ?
thestringpuller: well i was more under
the assumption philosopher stone of AI (a sorta Star
Trek
TNG "Data") doesn't currently have a means of existing
mircea_popescu: traditionally, lavoisier, i suppose. but mind
that many people understood what you call chemistry long before
the 1600s, and similarly an interest in alchemy survived long after.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller who in your view made
the switch between
the
two ?
mircea_popescu: anyway - i welcome
the antivirus-based new gestapo. it will doubtlessly work as well as
the new us model army, seen at
the muchly
trumpeted, quickly forgotten
tikrit offensive.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform:
the current crud exists just as alchemy once existed, you expect alchemist
to understand modern chemistry?
mircea_popescu: let
the beluga
take its unfortunate form emergently
to mr doctor X, so as
to receive bookend implants.
mircea_popescu: working by analogy with
the fruits in
the marketr stall, or perhaps even herself and her sisters, her ladyship figured such : what is good is
tough and rocky, what's overripe, soft, unrestrained in
the belts of rubbery skin is obviously iunferior.
mircea_popescu: specifically,
that
these black roe, large and soft as were put before her, are evidently inferior
to
true black roe, as she always gets at [we're skipping
this, lest we shame
the
third party]. which are small, much, much smaller, needle sized, and
tough, so you can crack
them in your
teeth.
mircea_popescu: a young consumation girl [ie, whore], otherwise clever and vivacious, receiving some caviar aside
the mug of vodka, proceeded
to explain some matters
t ome.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: perhaps different outlook, knowing you can't emulate human mind on current machines. perhaps
the only way
to "true AI" is some cyborg
thing of a brain plugged up
to machinery...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i will call
this - ersatz cognition <<
the problem being
that, much like in
the case of blub, ersatz cognition can only be recognized by people not blessed with it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but
the other kind. <<
there's a deep reason
the bayesian religion is widely appealing.
mircea_popescu: nah. much older, was in a
tail end of a discussion of art iirc
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it sorta ended a larger piece, ima
trilema. << cool
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i didn't really design
that. was just
the default
theme for
the latest wordpress << Fing and play with
toolbox, and by play with I mean delete shit and make it more minimalist. Do leave
the screenreader stuff in and if possibru improve it.
mircea_popescu: how about
the other one!
that's what i really am after.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> looks like he's
throwing
the match ? << Possibru? COunting on people not knowing Go?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it sorta ended a larger piece, ima
trilema.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo
this prolly shoujld be qntra << If someone know something at all about Go, I know jack shit.
mircea_popescu: fucking dogs do it, some of
them at least, as per
that experiment discussed in
the logs.
mircea_popescu: trinque> it also seems
to suggest
that mind-amplification << mind amplification is really an everyday
thing.
that's what b-a does, and before b-a
that's what
the internet
tried, and before
that books, and so on.
mircea_popescu: the one with
the army which, going
through a field, encounters
the same problems all
the previous ones did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but
the other kind. << im actually writing about
this.
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 01:31:16; mircea_popescu: "if
thge best you can come up with is otp - give me back
the cpu and
take
this mechanical gearbox instead"
trinque: this is what I'm aiming
to say,
that my friend has said he knows very little about *how*
the brain forms a picture, only
that it will (waves hands) learn
to when given input representing one
trinque: it also seems
to suggest
that mind-amplification is a much nearer goal
than AI, as
the brain's own ability
to handle new inputs can be leaned upon
trinque: as it might be drastically different from noggin
to noggin
trinque: the above doesn't seem
to bode well for having a model of cognition any
time soon
trinque: this leads
to being able
to wire visual inputs into
the
tongue, and having
the brain eventually learn
to make a picture from
this
☟︎ trinque: it learns how
to over
time
trinque: I have a friend in prosthetics who once explained at length
to me
that
the brain doesn't begin knowing how
to see, smell, etc
☟︎ nubbins`: e.g.
take
twin brains, copy "save-state" from one
to other; madness, frothing mouth.
nubbins`: this is a
terrifyingly accurate representation of meat-based life, i fear
nubbins`: leading
to gibberish circuits, relying on physical imperfections in resonance of container, etc
nubbins`: reminiscent of
the bank of FPGAs learning
to distinguish audio
tones
thestringpuller: because I doubt current humans can make computer better
than brain.
thestringpuller: until you create some kinda hardware mechanism
that is
true
to "real
thing"
thestringpuller: I really don't
think you can actually decipher
the nature of 'real
thought' on current hardware. AI will always be an emulation of
the authentic
thing.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy
talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what -
to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
thestringpuller: you could have sentient bot
talk
to you and you'd still slap it around I suppose
mircea_popescu: i suppose before i'm dead my life will consist of mostly wasting my
time
trying
to find errant bits of log.
mircea_popescu: well
this is sad, i can't fucking find it, half hour later.
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone recall
the place in
the log of
that discussion of
the nth army going
through
the same field, and seeing
the same bridgeheads and valleys and whatnot ?
danielpbarron: and now
that i've got wordpress running, I kinda like how easy it is
to draft stuff
danielpbarron: i seriously considered
the all
txt files option, but figured it wouldn't work well with allowing comments
thestringpuller: i was
talking about your original website.
the <pre>
tags and ascii
text and links
danielpbarron: i didn't really design
that. was just
the default
theme for
the latest wordpress