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mircea_popescu: maybe enjoy some um bongo in the interim ?
asciilifeform: srsly the sheet zimbabwe
mod6: asciilifeform: did you say you were using gnat to link ada object flies?
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mircea_popescu: but you really have to be retarded to imagine a ploy to claim industrial production is bad isn't obviously transparent and deeply ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: in a sense i can see it, must be satisfying to actually MAKE something in postsociety.
mircea_popescu: it's this fashion thing, i guess every third unemployed/able chick is making artisanal soap these days.
mod6: have to make our own.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in another decade there won't be a way to buy soap.
mircea_popescu: apparently the etsy chicks are getting militant.
mircea_popescu: jesus, this sls thing is pretty big huh.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 21:10:58; assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 05:06:06; trinque: I demand for this to never have happened at once!
mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so there's a meta-documentation that's secret and a faux documentation that's published ?
asciilifeform: or what, swift operators swore to vishnu to tell the truth and only the complete truth ?
asciilifeform: why not read nsa.gov to learn which hdd firmwares are buggered ?
mircea_popescu: it's remarkably open and well documented for a fiat banking thing.
mircea_popescu: why not read the documentation ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: care to possibly give a brief picture of the reality ?
mircea_popescu: it's a trope of fiction, all this.
asciilifeform: whoever he answers to, is sorta definitionally elite, no?
mircea_popescu: is he the elite ?
asciilifeform: which is neither me nor the other schmuck.
asciilifeform: the system's owner gets to.
asciilifeform: never said this.
asciilifeform: ~i~ don't get to reverse it !
mircea_popescu: you could trivially test this swift hypothesis of yours you know - wire a grand to the next nigerian to visit your inbox then write to your bank to reverse it.
asciilifeform: who is to say what makes a difference to me.
mircea_popescu: that's not the proper approach there. consider that you'd "entertain laughably innacurate hypothesis" about a) things that really make no difference to you ; b) with which you have absolutely no experience and c) that have exactly nothing in common with a hypothesis and everything in common with an article of faith.
asciilifeform: anyway i don't do amulets, much as mircea_popescu is convinced of this. i ~might~ entertain laughably inaccurate hypothesis about whatevers, when i have no access (unlike to the inside of a computer) to the priors.
mircea_popescu: mind, selling amulets is a trade like any other trade. wearing them is what was being discussed.
asciilifeform: whose thought processes were reasonably well known
asciilifeform: and the old amulet was also calibrated for a certain kind of idiot
mircea_popescu: no, but we do know how idiots think.
asciilifeform: but is this property not itself amuletronic ?
mircea_popescu: (technically speaking, the mp license is actually an anti-amulet, in the sense that it makes life impossible for a certain sort of lunatic. inasmuch as its effectiveness is not predicated on metaphysical but on quite physical considerations, it's just a virus.)
asciilifeform: i can only aspire to the high bar.
mircea_popescu: once they become necessary and "necessarily effectual", it gets iffy
mircea_popescu: yes, they are. for as long as they're decorative, it's one thing.
asciilifeform: so a comment containing a prayer to vishnu, say ?
mircea_popescu: basically. spurious item of presumed physical effectiveness predicated on the basis of metaphysical considerations.
mircea_popescu: but anyway - i suppose the first symtpom of the barrier giving way is when you start including specific amulet comments
asciilifeform: i could, for instance, be readily persuaded that ~all~ of my works are of insanity.
asciilifeform: but i would like to see why mircea_popescu considers the code - sane, and my picture of the rest - not.
mircea_popescu: nah, lunacy is not this.
asciilifeform: what would the code look like if this were not so ?
mircea_popescu: i get it, "for me it's always been this way".
asciilifeform: why is this a wonder
mircea_popescu: hopefully the barrier lasts.
mircea_popescu: but the wonder is that you manage to maintain this weird somehow encapsulated while writing code. one would find the notion improbable, on the face, but then again i've read said code.
asciilifeform: please be sure to install a suitable sofa !
mircea_popescu: if i ever move to portland and open a shrink practice ima send you a flyer.
asciilifeform: i would buy, at this rate !
mircea_popescu: besides this should be 1/4btc per hour and i should have a sofa./
asciilifeform: i mean, pretty much my whole existence is a theft
asciilifeform: which theft ?
mircea_popescu: had it touched elephants, you'd have a justification about elephant anatomy, just as well.
mircea_popescu: your "notion of how swift works" has absolutely nothing to do with swift, working or notions, and everything to do with you justifying your own theft which happened to touch of swift so now yhou have a "hypothesis" about that.
asciilifeform: but i think i know what mircea_popescu was trying to explain to me, that my notion of how swift works is static in disconnected antenna plug ?
mircea_popescu: there's no meeting there, one's lost in his own mind.
mircea_popescu: mno. the policeman looks at the item, and asks question. the psychotic thief looks AT THE POLICEMAN and "answers" question.
asciilifeform: and if i ask a fella what he had for dinner, his reponse also dies with the question, no ?
mircea_popescu: it's the response to the question ; it only exists with the question, dies with the last echo of the question. it has no factual basis.
asciilifeform: the thief's justification is ~of~ something
mircea_popescu: "but you did take the thing and put it up your ass" "yes but no it wasn't a thing not my ass not me"
asciilifeform: so then it is of being caught with the goods, no ?
mircea_popescu: "why did you steal ?" "i had to i didnt really steal it wasn't me"|
mircea_popescu: justification is the verbiage produced in response to inquiry.
mircea_popescu: justification, it's a psych term of art.
mircea_popescu: mno. you are ready to either accept it as a valid justification, or else accept it as a justification that needs futher justification.
asciilifeform: actually i am ready to believe that it is - or is not - true, if it could be anchored to actual priors that i have.
mircea_popescu: because you aren't in control of the cognitive process that involves it.
asciilifeform: is it because i cannot access the priors ?
mircea_popescu: it can not be true or false. as long as it's what you need to believe, it'll be there.
mircea_popescu: there is no possibility of truth in your system.
asciilifeform: well is it true ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, the name for what you put out is not "hypothesis", it's justification.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will tell me that this is not so ?
asciilifeform: i.e. that if zimbabwe gets a swift of x, and usg decides that this ought not have happened, it can be reversed.
mircea_popescu: so you're engaging in intricate description of an item you've never seen. you need explanation of why this is psychotic ?
asciilifeform: and thereby subject to retconning if 'international komyooonity' wills it
asciilifeform: i will readily admit that i have not one iota of a clue re: how it works, other than it being not-bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the path to mp world starts by now fucking having an opinion about how swift works when you've sent a grand total of... 0 ? 10 ? what is it ?
asciilifeform would liek to visit mircea_popescu's world but it doesn't sell tickets afaik.
asciilifeform: so the reversibility of swift and it having master control panel is not a fact of the universe we live in ?
mircea_popescu: and note that this is no argument ; this is a judgement.
mircea_popescu: "you are lacan. your picture of the universe is complete and unrelated to any extant universe. have fun with it."
mircea_popescu: i'm not engaging that particular insanity any further.
asciilifeform: and so if it turns out that 100m moved from a to b, and b stole, can just as easily return to a by hitlerian decree ?
mircea_popescu: i'm thoroughly exhausted all patience trying to engage the thing, so let's just let you live in your own world and mark once and forever that i lend it exactly the aforementioned credence.
asciilifeform: so show me the light, mircea_popescu : swift is a reversible fiat thing. no?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430671 << let me generally say that you're about in the position of afghan boy who grew up in village of men and goats opining about cunts. your ideas about "the usg", while no doubt meaningful and coherent in your own perspective, are pure metaphysics. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 20:34:41; asciilifeform: jurov: the beast is not bleeding. it moved coin from its left pocket to right.
asciilifeform: what do they have there? heroin ?
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 20:07:10; thestringpuller: "we should have wine at work every friday" - the girls in my department
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430635 << nude fridays, too. ☝︎
asciilifeform: by being peacefully sold to unsuspecting sacrificial goats ?
asciilifeform: france sells, usg knocks buyer on the head, sends $rembrandt back... rinse, repeat.
asciilifeform: 'Since 2007, more than 8,000 artifacts have been returned to 30 countries, including paintings from France, Germany, Poland and Austria ...' << translation: usg muppet regimes need to eat, why not subsidize them cheaply by helping them to sell their art sphincter virginity multiple times
asciilifeform: ^ translation: a thief's license has been cancelled by hitler, he is to be dekulakized.