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asciilifeform: a non-signed item is trivially derived from any signed item.
asciilifeform: but NOTHING YOU CAN CAT TO LINE PRINTER IS BALLSACK-ATTACHED
asciilifeform: however you cannot cat this to a line printer.
asciilifeform: tell it to the whores!1111
asciilifeform: distribute the exponentiated payload !111111 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm going to speak at a whore's convention. will bbl.
mircea_popescu: in the sense your ballsac is physically separtate from your penis.
mircea_popescu: this "separate signature" thing is an abomination.
asciilifeform: how is this a possible thing at all ?
asciilifeform: and ditto the opposite
asciilifeform: i.e. any idiot can cut off the sig and convey payload without it
asciilifeform: this is not actually true of gpg clearsign
mircea_popescu: so no conveyance of one is possible without the other.
mircea_popescu: i can tell you. the text and the seal in the same place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same way we preserve anything, you gotta figure out what aspects are actually essential to the thing, and which - are really accidents
asciilifeform: rather than the mutilatory lunacy.
mircea_popescu: how are you going to preserve my clearsign ?
asciilifeform: just has to be planted in a sane framework
mircea_popescu: so some shitboxes can do things with "code".
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give out the only workable way to make contracts since the fucking hansa
asciilifeform: and even in the case of sha2 is a waste.
asciilifeform: which, in the case of a wonderful thing like keccak, is entirely no good.
mircea_popescu: hash it and sign that.
asciilifeform: where there are no 'lines'.
asciilifeform: i wanna sign a tarball. or gif. now what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there may not exist "nonprintables". as per your own theory!
mircea_popescu: "fuck them, cook them and serve them to the pigs. fuck i care."
asciilifeform: it pointedly does NOT cover the case of signing non-printables.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's two steps to "but mp, some people are stupid, what should they do!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i distinctly recall suggesting a scheme quite like this.
mircea_popescu: i will NOT take bad implementations of ANYTHING into consideration when designing anything.
mircea_popescu: here. first line, the line index where signature begins. second line, the line index where payload begins. third line, the line count of the whole shebang.
asciilifeform: does fat lot of good given that just about all software mutilates line endings.
mircea_popescu: this is where we left this discussion last time!
mircea_popescu: why not ? put a proper fucking header in there!
asciilifeform: you necessarily cannot have it without such things.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not defending any of that.
asciilifeform: and the winblowzated newlines.
asciilifeform: and especially so are the - ----- idiocies.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it necessarily can be put in the header huh.
asciilifeform: it is a function ~of~ the payload.
mircea_popescu: mno, crc is part of the payload ?
asciilifeform: crc is a header thing.
asciilifeform: and so is making the unwrapper stateful.
asciilifeform: constraining the contents of the payload is evil.
mircea_popescu: but it is also subtly different from the general band discussion.
asciilifeform: payload is a passive thing.
mircea_popescu: notably, the derpy gnupg manual indicates "telephone" as a out-of-band mechanism to verify key fingerprints. is this so ? since when until when ? did it work back when phones were still analog ? does it work now ? why / why not ? etc.
mircea_popescu: the concept of identifiably separate bands is as much a presumption about the "adversary" (properly said, of the context) as anything else.
mircea_popescu: but in the end, there's only one band.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the in-band thing is not as separable from your point as you think.
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 02:21:19; mircea_popescu: "In the world where the media postulates social media as an absolute requirement of the modern era-- the era where everything is fetishized-- no one is permitted to make the distinction between a value and the picture of a value, they are made equivalent, so daring to criticize Randi's baby pictures is made to sound like misogyny or misobaby. It's not. I love food but if you ask me to look at a pict
mircea_popescu: it's what children do when they want to play house but are affraid of getting caught.
mircea_popescu: "sex with safewords" is sex exactly in the sense the guy playing king richard in a theatrical production is king richard, the historical personage. "sex with safewords" is at best a brat's wet dream, and in general prostitution, in the vein of the pedicurist or hospital nurse's job - but in no case has anything to do with sex, nor can it occur among sane adults.
mircea_popescu: the problem with safewords isn't that they're in-band to any degree. the problem with safewords is that they pretend to recast s/M relationships into a circus approximation. the submissive partner may not pretend to option as to when, or as to how the dominant partner extracts his pleasure out of his hide ; nor may (ipso facto inept) third parties purport to misrepresent any sexual relationship in terms other than stuf
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435187 << re this, i suppose i must point out that whatever i wrote must've been horribly mangled and deeply misunderstood (and i'd love to see exactly what quote ended up reprocessed into this). ☝︎
Agentzeromobilea: Well good to say hello - thanks for the voicings!... Blessings upon your good works... See you later
Agentzeromobilea: It's interesting, unless you are already familiar with this history... Likely in this room...
Agentzeromobilea: Anyone heard of or looked at this book America Betrayed by Dianne something?
mircea_popescu: if it weren't for the pesky armed insurection, iraq would be "cleanning up corruption" as we speak.
mircea_popescu: purging of the middle level. next in line comes the "sensitivity" bs.
mircea_popescu: it's how the shit played out in the us ; and the scheme is systematically repeated in every colony of the reich hence.
mircea_popescu: anyway. by and large, the "cleanning out corruption" narrative is what happens to a colonized place, ie, after the top leadership was defeated. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, this derp must be new, i have never heard of him.
asciilifeform: ^ i can't help but wonder how this reads to peanut gallery !
asciilifeform: Mr. Popescu was not an MP then, << l0l
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 02:31:01; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, romanians have been trading votes for years now. go in there with your smartphone, take pic of vote and id card, get 30 lei or w/e
Agentzeromobilea: Mr. Popescu was not an MP then, but was seeking re-election on a local council, reports the Telegraph. Despite it not being a seat in the national parliament Mr. Popescu saw fit to give away 60,992 kg of “grilled chicken”, ordering it in bulk from a local business and sending campaign volunteers to collect and distribute the meat. The prosecutor told the court every package of chicken was “distributed for el
mircea_popescu: wasn't this incident specifically. just, buying off rural/urban poor votes with refined sunflower oil / sugar / bla bla has been going on for decade plus.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty
deedbot-: [Qntra] EPA Goes To War Over Pond In Land Grab - http://qntra.net/2016/03/epa-goes-to-war-over-pond-in-land-grab/
Agentzeromobilea: Got kicked I think...
mircea_popescu: i think i even said soemthing at some point about it.
mircea_popescu: not exactly news this.
Agentzeromobile: Hey trinque haha it's me
Agentzeromobile: Just saw a funny article wanted to post but not sure if I change tabs to copy if I will be disconnected... I'll try here goes... Maybe if I disappear you could revoice me when I come back?
trinque: howdy, guy who claims to be ag3nt_zer0
Agentzeromobile: Hey thx !
mircea_popescu: trinque> thx to mod6 for the highs lows patch, using lows is helping deedbot- keep track of his dust << win.
trinque: thx to mod6 for the highs lows patch, using lows is helping deedbot- keep track of his dust
trinque: the problem was txn malleation, which confuses the wallet
trinque: alrighty! trb wallet deedbug fixed.
BingoBoingo: <davout> danielpbarron: i may have an old ipnohe lying around if you ever feel like upgrading your blawg's hosting << I suggested "edgerouter lite" more OSen available than pogo to pick from
asciilifeform: connect directly to street transformer!11
mircea_popescu: jurov careful with the mw unit also. some of those - 10kv!
mircea_popescu: (think about it - do you recall your ONLY complaint to date re dcs ? do you ? hm ?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would he want that ?
mircea_popescu: eh get out ; if he has a tv set he has 2kv or some shit in the house already.
asciilifeform: and say he wants to switch one off ?
jurov: lmao mp publicly plots to kill danielpbaron by suggesting him to work with 300V directly from tap?
mircea_popescu: such is the power of artizanship in this day of industrial decay.
mircea_popescu: eh, he CAN make a better series arrangement than what the brick does. for srs.
mircea_popescu: nothing prevents you from spending the 35 bucks for a roll of 100 caps.
asciilifeform: chinese - only the former
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the other things about 'take rectifier and power 10 - or 20 in eu - in series' is that you get one of the problems of the chinese bricks, but in spades: ripple
mircea_popescu: much more than analog apparatus of a century ago, that's for damn sure.
mircea_popescu: by now the bricks are so shitty, and tolerance so easy, it's surprising what "digital apparatus" takes in terms of abuse.
mircea_popescu: get a customizable power bridge, link pogo, see how much it'll take before it falls over.
mircea_popescu: enough about this matter :
mircea_popescu: lol show this ?