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assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 23:16:04; asciilifeform: at the cost of gpg being utterly retarded in 101 ways
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435644 << yes, but the problerm needs fixing, not replacing with worse problem. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: a) eye-readable contract ; b) machine-verifiable signature ; c) that can also be verified by hand ; d) in the same item. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: ecb wanted to keep up with feds but weren't nearing election (or selection) so they transgendered the poor sob
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 23:15:07; jurov: no, he wants everything converted to plain english. maybe even 5-bit code without support for newline characters.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 23:10:43; asciilifeform: because - guess what - a CR/LF, LF, or CR - LOOK THE SAME on the page.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i should further clarify that 'active years' were, regardless of the farmer's age, up until about 20 years ago. the size of farms have grown exponentially of late, hand-in-hand with the increased cost of inputs and the decreased price of outputs.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:44:15; jurov: "the goal is to have whole piece" implies it is seekable, thus feasible to scan the file for signatures from the end
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 02:31:08; asciilifeform: what do american farmers typically die of on he job?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435694 << heart attack. at least the men. they become accustomed to wholesome and hearty diets in their active years, which they have a hard time foregoing in their later years, despite increasingly sedentary lifestyles. ticker eventually calls it quits. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:22:55; asciilifeform: distribute the exponentiated payload !111111
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435577 << how'd this go ? ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i don't see how it can continue without mods and hosting on the books.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432214 << mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: this was all very rude and uncalled for, my apologies ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: punkman: For the record the author of that piece on the Toddler problem is a notorious hamplanet of ~400 pounds
assbot: The macabre truth of gun control in the US is that toddlers kill more people than terrorists do | Lindy West | Opinion | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ro1iT0 )
punkman: speaking of "casualties of bull vs tractor" http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/13/the-macabre-truth-of-gun-control-in-the-us-is-that-toddlers-kill-more-people-than-terrorists-do
BingoBoingo: I'll get around to it
asciilifeform: just when you thought you've seen every possible mangled corpse - surprise!!1111
asciilifeform: there is a mega-classic one of a whole man wrapped up on the lathe, like a rope.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, a tractor's PTO generally provides more power for the mangling
assbot: Death on the Farm - Modern Farmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1TSyuSM )
BingoBoingo: http://modernfarmer.com/2014/06/farm-deaths/ << "His jeans caught on a piece of manure-pumping equipment and, in the blink of an eye, his leg was connected to his torso by a mere inch of flesh. "
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435703 << recall the very picturesque lathe accident photos in the logz? ☝︎
gribble: CDC - Agricultural Safety - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic: <http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/aginjury/>; Death on the Farm - Modern Farmer: <http://modernfarmer.com/2014/06/farm-deaths/>; OSHA Fact Sheet: Farm Safety: <http://ehs.okstate.edu/training/oshafarm.htm>
gribble: Hazards of the PTO on Farm Tractors - Alabama Cooperative ...: <http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-1262/ANR-1262.pdf>; Power Take-Off (PTO) Safety (also available in Spanish ...: <http://extension.psu.edu/agsafety/vehicles-and-machinery/tractor-safety/e33>; Know the Dangers of a PTO - Gempler's: <https://www.gemplers.com/docs/tailgate-training-tip-sheets/9-pto-danger-en.pdf>
asciilifeform: and in fact, their work over mine.
asciilifeform: i can't speak for the farmers, but i would take the bull over boredom.
gribble: Hazard Alert: Dangers of Engulfment and Suffocation in Grain Bins: <https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/grainhandling/hazard_alert.html>; Grain entrapment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_entrapment>; Suffocation Hazards in Grain Bins - UK College of Agriculture: <http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/aen/aen39/aen39.pdf>
BingoBoingo: Or get ripped up by power take offs
BingoBoingo: Often they suffocate in silos full of grain and silo gasses
asciilifeform: what do american farmers typically die of on he job? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: That depends on the will of the bull versus the skill of the tractor
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435673 << i kinda wonder re: casualties of bull vs tractor ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 02:08:53; assbot: The Robots Sent Into Fukushima Have 'Died' ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpQMo6 )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435672 << designing arbitrarily rad-hard waldo is not so hard - use hydraulic actuators for everything. and what's more, it would ~happen~ if, instead of dead robot leading to a lucrative extension of contract, the designer were marched to clean the reactor ~personally~. ☝︎
punkman: asciilifeform: plain text? they already had that
asciilifeform: 'we are entitled to everyone's plain text data, and if Congress won't give it to us, we'll use our 27.1 billion dollar budget, and army of 100K lawyers to take it in court. Your tax dollars at work.' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: "The health department said the fate of the bull would be left to the family." << Note, being a Bull means you get out of USG law racket sometimes
asciilifeform: 'I did fight things out in court. It just occurred in secret, and while a proper description would require the use of vulgarity, I'll summarize by saying I was railroaded. The length of time between when I received the PRTT order, and when I was found in contempt (ex parte) was about 5 weeks. For comparison the /median /time between filing and disposition of a civil contempt charge in federal court during 2013 was 6 /months/.' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: k punkman try nao
punkman: BingoBoingo: yeah that might help
BingoBoingo: OH I stripped out the links
BingoBoingo: punkman: European central bank is likely going to do money direct to consumers
deedbot-: [Qntra] EU Marching Towards "Helicopter Money" As Other Manipulations Are Exhausted - http://qntra.net/2016/03/eu-marching-towards-helicopter-money-as-other-manipulations-are-exhausted/
BingoBoingo: should hit the deedbutt shortly
danielpbarron: mod6, sure thing!
asciilifeform: this was a step towards the Right Thing.
phf: beos email client was a thing to download mail and the thing to view/compose. everything else was handled by file manager
phf: or email for that matter
phf: befs was tight in that respect, where they blend xattr and file contents, and then build all tools with metadata support upfront, so you could have a folder full of mp3s and they would come up as song-name, song-title, date, etc.
phf: hfs+ still has forks, except now they have some ~monster~ xattr resourcefork hybrid
mod6: danielpbarron: thanks for writing that up on your blog. the job is yours if you want it. i'll write up something formal and we can go from there.
mod6: got my treeware SICP and ADA ref manual today.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> jurov: how do you know where the end is ?? << You run out of tape and have to flip it to the other side
asciilifeform: (or, shamefully, explored, or had your face rubbed in them, and then forgot)
asciilifeform: merely because you have not explored the edge cases that break it
asciilifeform: the act of carrying on in a belied that a CONCEPTUALY BUGGY system is a working item
asciilifeform: we need a word for this kind of thing
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:12:05; asciilifeform: the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- crud is ~exactly~ a safeword.
asciilifeform: at the cost of gpg being utterly retarded in 101 ways ☟︎
asciilifeform: it only APPEARS to work for gpg
asciilifeform: any way you cut it, trying to use a naked unix terminal for this is lunacy
jurov: and then sign that
jurov: no, he wants everything converted to plain english. maybe even 5-bit code without support for newline characters. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is the ultimate in 'in-band'. mega-ugly.
asciilifeform: where the thing actually gets parsed out before the bignums are exponentiated
jurov: i guess he wants to sign semantics, not syntax.
asciilifeform: and every time i try to explain to him that his notion of 'text' is ill-defined and the actual mechanics, as implemented in unix world and elsewhere, are malignantly retarded
asciilifeform: because - guess what - a CR/LF, LF, or CR - LOOK THE SAME on the page. ☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally anybody who actually tries the latter with pgp, is stuck with mutilated line endings
asciilifeform: ( ... and then somehow type back in, and have the sig pass ??????)
asciilifeform: i.e. something he can cat to a line printer
asciilifeform: aha and for that we do binary formats
jurov: but we're taling about exchanging stuff over internet
asciilifeform: (it isn't useless, but a whole chunk of fs for them?!1)
asciilifeform: instead of idiocies like access time
asciilifeform: picture fs with a way to attach seals, say
jurov: so your only "solution" is to force whole world to switch from bags of bytes to structured data?
asciilifeform: 'feed'em to pigz' as mircea_popescu said.
jurov: m$ office and their ilk does
asciilifeform: it is an actual thing.
asciilifeform: you can't magic away the 'metadata' thing just by closing your eyes to it.
asciilifeform: because this is RETARDED
asciilifeform: but notice, at no point (since the dark ibm mainframe days anyway) did anyone suggest storing the access time, or perms, IN THE FILE proper
asciilifeform: it is not any more or less retarded than the old mac os forks.
asciilifeform: these are 'special' in the sense that fs stores them in designated places
asciilifeform: where there was a separate body for 'metadata' and another for what we think of as the file
asciilifeform: e.g., the old mac os had dual-forked file system
asciilifeform: this is not a trivial problem, and it has popped up in the past in various guises
asciilifeform: i get it, you can 'dwim' in your head, 'my eyes know how big it is' - but how does THE MACHINE know.
asciilifeform: this is just as problematic as agreeing that it is in the beginning of the file!
asciilifeform: let's say it is at the end.
asciilifeform: how does the pgptron know how big the signature is ?
asciilifeform: jurov: this solves nothing, it merely flips the problem on its head
jurov: or we're getting rid of files, too?
asciilifeform: jurov: how do you know where the end is ??
jurov: "the goal is to have whole piece" implies it is seekable, thus feasible to scan the file for signatures from the end ☟︎
jurov: can't we have the signature just slapped to the end of payload?
asciilifeform: pretending otherwise is what the idiot watermark folks do.