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asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i guess i misunderstood the new formula, i thought it'd be a 'house of lords' vs 'commons' thing, where l1 could be lowered into pederasty by negs from l1 solely.
kakobrekla: yes, however i repeat: the condition to self-voice is no longer L1>0 || L2>0 but instead L1 + L2 > 0
asciilifeform: isn't this how it worked before..?
kakobrekla: l1 is unchanged but for one to be in l2 one must be rated by l1
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i don't rightly understand what this midway solution actually is. so if l1 is empty, then how is l2 defined. and if l1 isn't empty then... what ?
asciilifeform: (yeah the 'game of life' conway)
mircea_popescu: i guess might as well try this.
kakobrekla: not really a democracy but there is no more immutability for l1
mircea_popescu: i'm about as interested in participating in democracy of any kind or description as you can imagine. #b-a existed to any degree and in any sense for as long as it wasn't that. it can go back to being #okcupid or whatever the fuck else the "power of the people" warrants.
asciilifeform: 'Hard is it on earth, / with mighty whoredom; Axe-time, sword-time, / shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, / ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men / each other spare.' (the poetic edda, vol1)
kakobrekla: that being said, i believe b-a should be self regulating and not depended on what mp or kako thinks, the solution, already in effect, is: the condition to self-voice is no longer L1>0 || L2>0 but instead L1 + L2 > 0, which also goes along the notion that lordship no longer exists. the power is your hands now, people. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 23:35:36; mircea_popescu: i dunno, but the fact remains this nonsense can't continue, if for no reason then because i won't be any part of the most recent attempt of fiat world to reclaim the republic. so for the sake of variety, let's go with : kakobrekla, you willing to take nubbins off the l1 ?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439692 < and i actually suspect, given your recent reckless behaviour followed by destructive actions you have been compromised by that very same fiat system and are on a good way of dismantling the republic (simulate a world where mp admits a mistake and eats his own cooking and see how it compares to this) ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 23:35:31; mircea_popescu: 2 requires the man who just saw the product of his not-inconsequential efforts die over "not doing what mp says, with money" have to choose whether to do what mp says... but with people, this time. we did in fact start this channel together, just like bitbet, and he did do a lot of infrastructure work here, just as there. so... what do ?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439691 << haha! how pretentious. its almost as entertaining as the miners konspiraci. anyway, unlike bitbet which was a shared toy between us and was damaged beyond repair by your foolish actions for which you dont care to take responsibility (but will be, on the end, enforecd upon you), let the record state #b-a is solely my creation and you inhabited the chan a week or so later. and yes, ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: sorry kakobrekla, was that me?!
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assbot: Successfully updated the rating for chetty from 2 to 10 with note: will never sin again
kakobrekla: you forgot the !v
pete_dushenski to his non-autonomous car to take a cruise this fine spring evening
pete_dushenski: though i admit it's a bit strange that we're not on 19ghz boxes in the back seats of our autonomous cars...
pete_dushenski: but ya, being as rich as i thought i ~wanted~ to be by this point would not doubt cause as many problems as i imagined it'd solve. besides, what fucking problems ??
trinque departs til tomorrow
trinque: better to learn to be a man first than suddenly have so much gunpowder
pete_dushenski: lol more than a few of us probably also thought we'd be riding the btc-waves to being deca+millionaires by 2016. this bitcoin thing is taking far longer than i, at least, had anticipated.
mircea_popescu: and to be perfectly clear - it ~was~ my stupid fucking idea of seeding the lordship off the stats page on roughly the basis of activity that got us in this mess. ☟︎
danielpbarron: if just one more switches from positive to negative we can see once and for all if a lord can be !down'd
pete_dushenski: anyways, my rating him made no goddam sense to begin with
danielpbarron: aw that's only a single click, but better than nothing
pete_dushenski: after skipping half of today's lengthy logs myself, i'm all too happy to do my part
danielpbarron: only 3 more clicks. That's two changing their mind, or 3 making theirs up
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubbins`: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 13 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=nubbins%60 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubbins%60/
asciilifeform: (which needs to be refueled, bbl)
asciilifeform: there are limits even to my iron stomach.
mircea_popescu: funny how that works!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, but the fact remains this nonsense can't continue, if for no reason then because i won't be any part of the most recent attempt of fiat world to reclaim the republic. so for the sake of variety, let's go with : kakobrekla, you willing to take nubbins off the l1 ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 2 requires the man who just saw the product of his not-inconsequential efforts die over "not doing what mp says, with money" have to choose whether to do what mp says... but with people, this time. we did in fact start this channel together, just like bitbet, and he did do a lot of infrastructure work here, just as there. so... what do ? ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: 1 has the manifest disadvantage that it is an exact replay of the bitbet drama. it may be argued that it is "clean" and "elegant" and "all i wanted was to protect you, son", which is so much idiotic patriarchical nonsense it makes my skin crawl - and thus let's extend kakobrekla in public the same sympathies extended in private ;
mircea_popescu: reviewing that, i can either 1) log as mod and ban the schmuck or else 2) ask kakobrekla to alter the l1.
mircea_popescu: while it is incontrivable that the lordship has failed utterly, and is in no sense the guarantor of keeping spammers and idiots away from the forum as intended (youhadonejob.png!!!), that is a distinct and separate problem from what to do with #b-a.
mircea_popescu: mk, so upon consideration, the issue here is that me nulling the logs is at best a stopgap, and no sort of long term or tenable solution. there's certainly no sense in me continuing to pour words into a bag i won't read the logs of, wtf.
asciilifeform: i may not count for much, but will not countenance the fanning.
asciilifeform: mp may have dropped a cig, and lit the forest on fire. some of us tried to help stamp out the flames. others - fanned them.
asciilifeform: sorry nubs you really earned this.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for nubbins` from 1 to -1 with note: TILT. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-03-2016#1426922
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 18:12:51; asciilifeform: nubbins`: dead pilots in the '30s-'40s were sometimes found with the control joystick literally torn from its moorings. they pulled against jammed flight surfaces and physically destroyed the stick. it did not help.
asciilifeform: !rate nubbins` -1 TILT. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-03-2016#1426922 ☝︎
asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: you are, i'm afraid, wasting your time.
jurov: mrottenkolber: it's fine, as long as this won't cause V to take up complexity from git
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 16:15:45; ascii_butugychag: btw i hope everybody understands that life with 'v' is always going to resemble dark age blood sports like cvs, etc. far more than modern greased poles (e.g., 'git')
mrottenkolber: Should be enough to produce vdiffs and signatures from git repos, for whoever might want that, and god forbid, press “v signed” branches from Git (ducks).
mrottenkolber: I know you are all gonna hate this, but for what its worth, I got some Git/V interop going: https://github.com/eugeneia/vgit ☟︎
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: purist would argue that NA (1st ge) was the only true miata, but that ND (4th gen, MY2016) is a strong return to form.
nubbins`: i just started keeping track of what i ate
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No. The most recent thing They've attached the name to in the US is clearly not actually a Miata. I'm not invested enough in the question though to make a hard determination on when the newer vehicles stopped becoming miatas
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: twas but a flesh wound (ie. name change)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's just a shame they've stopped making new Miatas
pete_dushenski: when all the world's an obeast, the skinny girl looks like a freak, aha
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The miata's just one of those vehicles that looks worse than it should because of poor aesthetic direction on other motor vehicles
nubbins` goes to print layer 7 of new btc posters
pete_dushenski goes to look up used miatas...
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: two bucks says that the miata owner is not the least bit displeased that two honies romped around in his ride. he's surely sorry he missed it! jealous wife, on the other hand...
pete_dushenski: which afaicantell maps to the log discussion
pete_dushenski: it addresses exactly the "can i pick it up if it's dropped?" question
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol funny you should ask. i just came across a research paper on very much this topic the other day, which i've now uploaded on my site for posterity (and your consideration) : http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Behavioral-Despair-in-the-Talmud.pdf ☟︎
danielpbarron: which I think is made clear enough by the line about how it's the sole discression of MPEx to decide how to resolve issues
danielpbarron: the only one who can violate an MPEx listing agreement is the non-MPEx party signing it
danielpbarron: yes. that is true.
jurov: the rules apparently is that if he claims that was not a mistake but mining cartel, that is beyond discussion.
danielpbarron: you just said the rules go against your values, jurov ; not that he made an error
nubbins`: "you need to get the rats out of the kitchen and then later you'll want to make a meal there? i think not"
jurov: you're under impression i'm trying to oust him? just by reminding him he may have done an error?
danielpbarron: so what then, you need to oust the current rule maker and then this place will be worth inhabiting? I think not.
jurov: and that not even for a good discernible reason
jurov: no, the very rules going against my values
danielpbarron: jurov, what happened again and again? people not following the rules? How is the a strike against the rule maker?
danielpbarron: punkman, indeed that might be why private addresses became a thing. account holders signing agreement that anything sent to that address gets credited to account. Since we know that there are side-contracts for the less-than-50-btc renewal of keys, this should be possible
nubbins`: shooting from the hip
jurov: but this happened again and again, bitbet being last case
punkman: considering everyone is using private addresses these days, I wonder if donations are still a thing
danielpbarron: so then don't use MPEx
jurov: i just can't run business that way
jurov: this was made deliberate by design and easy to avoid
danielpbarron: what's the issue? MPEx says send X. Guy sends Y instead.
assbot: Case I - Wences vs MPEx, Breach of fiduciary duty on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PsaeiI )
danielpbarron: ah this http://trilema.com/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/
jurov: sorry: *wences sending rounded amount and then suing over fiduciary responsibility
jurov: wences sending rounded amoutn and the suing over fiduciary responisibility
punkman: nubbins`: i actually didn't realize mp owned assbot << I thought kakobrekla owned assbot
jurov: the rota thing
jurov: with label "whatever falls in, is donation to shareholders"
jurov: it goes back long time to things like the wences lawsuit, i likened the situation to mpex having a sinkhole in the foyer
jurov: i wish i got some sound reasoning here, too
danielpbarron: if they were right, yes