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asciilifeform: (where in fact author is lucky to see 3-5%)
asciilifeform: or any dead tree publisher
mircea_popescu: i'm in awe of what ustardia can do to people.
mircea_popescu: e takes home 15 cents out of a dollar in receipts.
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated but omfg i can't believe this - cascadia dwelling derpy mother of slavegirl that wants to think of self as "fiber artist" but otherwise crochets like any old woman since time immemorial, landed what to her appears as a very good deal. she sells her stuff in a senior citizen center gift shop. for a 15% comission. to understand each other : she provides the merchandise. she provides the sales workforce. sh
asciilifeform: ('let the n bits add at once' etc)
asciilifeform: the use of registers was the original parallelization, if you will.
asciilifeform: i dug out the 1-bit cpu because i have a weakness for exotic archs that might be amenable to optical or otherwise 'this handful of switching elements' incarnation.
mircea_popescu: i'm unpersuaded. yes the breadbox is neither arbitrary nor undefined in the bug discussion. here however, no such benefit. there is no "size".
asciilifeform: but otherwise registers are a necessary evil, a teaspoon-sized bucket is possible but generally not wanted
asciilifeform: (personally i favour the... trit)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you gotta pick some quantum of info for the logic to operate on.
asciilifeform: (you can trivially bit-serial add/subtract, but not mult/div unless by powers of the base)
mircea_popescu: it's not directly clear the notion of bit is even relevant
asciilifeform: i turned one up !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the 1-bit cpu thread ?
mircea_popescu: there is ~no reason to use the c representation or notion of number at all.
mircea_popescu: it's a cheap hack to get things cached through "registers", sure.
mircea_popescu: you know, thinking about it... what exactly is the rationale even of the concept of "int" ?
asciilifeform: and these are emulated, pretty elegantly.
asciilifeform: because the kdf9 had ~weird~ (by modern standards) data types, e.g., 96-bit mantissa, etc.
asciilifeform: incidentally, very pertinent to earlier thread,
asciilifeform: 'who is selling 800k of coin? not usg!111 you hatefact-peddling nazi. it's this bloke in his attic'
phf: top /r/bitcoin post is about some guy for bought bitcoin for $20 that he forgot about, now has $800k. this is like The Sun style bullshit "found million dollars in gradma attick"
asciilifeform: or, even more so, 'ghadafi is not a real sovereign because he doesn't come to davos'
asciilifeform: precisely that way.
mircea_popescu: "it wasn't a real company because we didn't count for shit in the sale"
pete_dushenski: phf: if the sale of a bitcoin company for 250k btc didn't get mentioned, a measly 86 btc sale doesn't stand much chance of crossing the lips of the peeple
asciilifeform: 1ofthesethings is not like theotherz!11 (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: so you like templeos because it has persistence and graham because, apparently, gavin doesn't have to work for a living.
mircea_popescu: weirdo guy going on about god something or the other ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did templos ever do to you!111
mircea_popescu: phf they mostly get mentioned derisively, tho. it's a sort of templeos/timecube/whatever, they got their alt-reality, sticking to it, nothing happens in it, etc.
phf: so i don't read hackernews or reddit, they are mentioned here a lot though, so i decided to check if a sale of bitcoin company for 86BTC (damn) is going to get mentioned anywhere. nope. nada.
pete_dushenski: there were no signed bids before that
pete_dushenski: thus, yours was the first bid
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell davout delete xmlrpc.php from your wordpress install and you will be 95% of the way to securing your blawg ☟︎☟︎
pete_dushenski: heh fr.anco.is shows pingbacks in 'recent comments'. i'll take the free advertising.
mircea_popescu: ah thats a point
pete_dushenski: o sorry that, left those out because unsigned ☟︎
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and thestringpuller also bid
pete_dushenski: aha. was speaking to two other points in s.bbet's history however : peak and present
mircea_popescu: well technically it started 0.0001 0.0002
pete_dushenski: ^updated. realised i'd left the calculated p/e in months rather than the standard years.
deedbot-: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] That time I let outright ownership of BitBet slip through my fingers. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/
mircea_popescu: "Ada.Text_IO is a "package" that comes with Ada. (In Ada 83, the package name is just Text_IO, and for compatibility, Ada 95 also accepts the shorter name.) We'll learn more about packages later."
asciilifeform: quite familiar species to regular readers of 'stack overflow' and similar.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://zhu-qy.blogspot.com/2012/08/adatutor.html
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell davout don't scare-excite me like that next time! (wait, what next time?) also, i wanted to show up here, but couldn't quite meditate and irc atst ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (contrary to what noob scientists may think, "a breadbox" is neither arbitrary nor undefined in that sentence)
asciilifeform: well that's more euclidean geometric (surface/volume)
mircea_popescu: "why is no insect larger than a breadbox"
asciilifeform: as in 'why using 19 bit integer is 25x slower than 16'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re thread, see also earlier threadz re 'impedance matching'
mircea_popescu: anyway, re earlier discussion, i guess it'd be worth belabouring the point that nothing therein contained is an argument against using ada. it's still a great technical solution, for bounds checking, for other reasons, it's still a great practical solution, for native linkability with c object code, for other reasons. same stands for scheme, still best option for a scripting language for bitcoind.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: something like that
mircea_popescu: lol i guess you're gonna buy a new car with the btc thus saved ?
idioter: o.k. thank you
mircea_popescu: but mostly, today.
mircea_popescu: i'd expect today/tomorrow.
idioter: is there any approximate information about when the withdrawals will be made?
mircea_popescu: idioter yeah loads of btc moving since mpex sale. hold tight, you'll get it.
idioter: hello. i made a withdrawal on coinbr.com from mpex about 4 days ago. i have been told i need to talk to mircea popescu about it.
mircea_popescu: phf some of that could be unresolved netsplits ?
asciilifeform: if you could kill the shitstack, incl gpu, yes - even browser.
mircea_popescu: this is WHY your "fits in head", btw. well justified cover for the "on the basis of the pi we know, the largest house that can stand is 11 feet tall"
phf: so doing awk through my logs, there's almost 10k lines "missing"
asciilifeform: program that behaves sanely for all time so long as the iron holds up, is a reality. i write'em.
mircea_popescu: http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report#comment-8471 << so it seems the winner is znort guy, 86 btc bid.
phf: about 2 minutes round time, yeah that's what i'm getting just doing an aggressive reconnect. note that there's possibly a lack of log visibility few seconds before it "quit"
mircea_popescu: Nov 27 03:56:48 * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
phf: i feel like i have some code laying around to do comparison, but won't have wandwidth for a bit
mircea_popescu: btw phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447752 is actuallyt trivially checked, i have the logs of when it dc'd. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway. the forever-bitcoin, ready to be buried under the sea or w/e, is not happening. because : "<mircea_popescu> how are you going to define a sorting rule for a type you don't know yet. <asciilifeform> by knowing it ?" is actually inescapable. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but at least the whole "technology offers no solution for human problems" intuition now has much better footing in fact.
mircea_popescu: i am left without a solid basis to protest the use of magic numbers in code ;/
phf: culture that percolated into mass media through star trek federation and such
phf: well, it was post-war boomers, left leaning hippie intelligentsia who grep up on asimov and such, in a country awash with free money, all that euro gold
mircea_popescu: but hey, welfare works for as long it works, so does this.
mircea_popescu: much of the same substance as rms' "oh, all things belong to all people", ie, lazy reductionism.
mircea_popescu: im thinking it was actually a delusion, driven by peculiar circumstance that was both exceptional and unlikely to repeat.
phf: of course, general purpose computer was always a device that high cast professional would sit in front in order to do computations, augmented by external systems or additional special purpose interchangeable boards. at least that was a pretty shared vision from engelbard to symbolics before the microcomputer ☟︎
phf: the person that i was a [big bank] vendor with is actually doing that right now. a trained apl-er and mathematician, having spent few years interacting with [big bank] decision makers now consults on a handshake basis for companies that need a problem solved, but don't care if it comes with a pretty windows gui ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in short, and to sum up : there may never exist such a thing as the "general purpose computer"
mircea_popescu: even in countries far distant in time and space, that couldn't rightly spell it./
mircea_popescu: cesar, the guy whose name became an office
asciilifeform: to the mentat - the mentat's
asciilifeform: phf: it is my intention to bring this back, full bore.
asciilifeform: captain did not turn knobs on the steam machine himself!
mircea_popescu: before the "mentats" got into depression, heavy drinking and asscrack-cracksnorting.
asciilifeform: think of a ship's telegraph.
phf: in which case the kind of machines that the mentats are backed by require very particular characteristics, e.g. power above "novice usability" etc. so lisp machines and apl machines
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is exactly how the trade houses used to work,
asciilifeform: it is, i think, how mircea_popescu uses bitcoin, for instance.
asciilifeform: phf: this remains the only practical thing.
asciilifeform: yes, idiots want this for phreee, without having to UNDERSTAND what they did.
phf: (that's one of the reasons i thought one of the more effective ways of organizing computer human interaction is have an equivalent of dune mentat backed by a computer, i.e. an advisor to decision makers who performs computation and analysis. something like that existed at the height of apl, and i know a handful of now old apl-ers who sat on boards and were responsible almost exclusively for "running the numbers")
asciilifeform: what ~isn't~ possible, per godel, is to arrive at this using brute idiocy
mircea_popescu: yes. but it remains impossible for this proggy to be useful in the abstract :)
asciilifeform: it remains possible to write proggy that behaves - demonstrably - correctly for ALL electrically-possible inputs.