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asciilifeform: i mention it now because, as far as i can tell, the error trinque's bot dies with is a result of undocumented and peculiar misprotocoling on server side.
mircea_popescu: gets restated periodically, hence mircea_popescu: anyway, freenode does not enjoy any degree of tmsr trust afaik.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> btw does everyone remember that fleanode was owned ~2y ago ? << http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-16#1324993 ☝︎
asciilifeform: now the way this kind of monkey trick works is that 'outrageous' draft law in usa is built so as to push 'overton window' and make otherwise plain lunacy appear 'reasonable'.
asciilifeform: '...would require people to comply with any authorized court order for data—and if that data is “unintelligible,” the legislation would demand that it be rendered “intelligible.”'
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled the whip-the-hellespont thing.
asciilifeform: btw does everyone remember that fleanode was owned ~2y ago ?
asciilifeform: presumably the only ssltronic link is b/w fleanode and deedbot ?
trinque: it happened just as I tried to $up myself
asciilifeform: ^ apparently this is a thing
gribble: Curl: RE: block cipher pad is wrong: <https://curl.haxx.se/mail/archive-2000-11/0033.html>; CS27766 - Cognos Reports fail when using a Trusted root CA ...: <https://support.ptc.com/apps/solution_preview/solution/lang/presolution?lang=en&n=CS27766>; New rules for ignoring noise. (!8) · Merge Requests · riseup ... - GitLab: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ;;google TLS1_ENC:block cipher pad is wrong
asciilifeform: (i don't recall seeing any ssltronics in the src that was linked here)
asciilifeform: trinque: i find the ssl barfs interesting, where precisely do they come from in your thing ?
trinque: phf: I have not been collecting logs in postgresql because I thought you were going to handle it ☟︎
phf: i.e. n-bots connect and reconcile with each other before submitting shared answer to logotron. if i spread them across fleenode servers should account even for splits
phf: yeah, but the bot explicitly doesn't reconnect, because i don't want to lose messages and introduce continuity break. perhaps i should just do that as a "good enough" measure, but i want to just write a communicating-multi-bot setup over the weekend
asciilifeform: phf: i take it your box got disconnected by fleanode, like mine.
phf: would be nice to have that postgresql connection right about now :)
phf: i apologize for downed log, everything's operational, but my backup logs are on a secure machine, that i can't access from mobile. log will be back at 2pm EST
shinohai: I think I sent you the copy w/out source BingoBoingo sorry. Was early before I had sufficient coffee.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: ty
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and in yet more lulz, whoa BingoBoingo can you fucking believe the commenter interest in changetip ?! mindboggling. << Seriously.
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu as the hruschev in film 'enemy at the gates' - 'you lost battalion, motherfuckers!? lose the other one! or lose yourself!'
mircea_popescu: im sending you your walking papers if you're going to insist playing the idiot, how about that ?
mircea_popescu: i think for some reason you got the idea that if mp gets phuctor server it's ok to come in, redefine it as "trb node" and move on.
asciilifeform: while it remains true that this is not why mircea_popescu bought it, this is certainly far from 'usg capitalization' bottom of the ocean.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> including five straight months of 1/4 gb ram box at close to a btc/month pulling our dicks. << that thing incidentally has been the ONLY public trb node that has never fallen down. not once.
davout: you have a point, i'll update the report accordingly
mircea_popescu: (i imagine you took out the house bet proceeds from liabilities because kakobrekla whined. characteristically for the "partnership" mentality, he forgot to mention this other part.)
mircea_popescu: so : it's true that i don't have to keep the proceeds. it is not however true they're free money.
mircea_popescu: whatever it came from - it's not mine to pay for.
mircea_popescu: these 0.1 btc came out of my own pocket, as a credit towards bitbet, that now has to be unwound.
mircea_popescu: that is entirely besides the point. for every bet currently open, the "house" put in 0.1 btc.
davout: last report has 0.50 in this item
mircea_popescu: how exactly were they already accounted for ?
davout: and those before were already accounted for
mircea_popescu: my idea is that while it's true that the proceeds from house bets shouldn't be counted against the shareholders - it is at the same time the actual sum of those bets as made should count as a credit for me.
davout: since the last statement there weren't any house bets made amirite
mircea_popescu: alrighty, this is then the correct figure, pending the house bets issue which afaik is the last item.
mircea_popescu: and there we go, matches.
mircea_popescu: right. so it's the correct basis there. and the hw is indeed already counted.
davout: so that's basically, the sum of bets, the donations, the unhandled zeroconf proposal, minus the hot wallet i already have in hand
mircea_popescu: so right right, that's the right number then, 199.45047737, ie owed bets + refunds - hw.
mircea_popescu: now im lost as to why the fuck i had a 199 figure which matches netiehr of these ;/
mircea_popescu: oh oh, the house bets yes.
davout: you need to take 335.04334737, the amount before fees
mircea_popescu: now why the fuck doesn't this match that ;/
davout: sure, then remove 86 from both the 1040 and 841, same difference
mircea_popescu: the entirety of my responsibility here is the sum of bets.
davout: see, this includes the hot wallet already ^
davout: you substracted the hot wallet amount from this, but it's already taken into account in the 841.33337474
davout: ok, let's just finish this first
mircea_popescu: davout meanwhile, accounting points out another snag. specifically, while it's correct that the proceeds of house bets go to shareholders ; it's incorrect that the bets themselves come out of thin air. the bitbet house bets were not a personal gift of mp to the bitbet shareholders, they were an expense undertook by said shareholders, which i generously (and perhaps ineptly) floated for them. so should be on liability side.
davout: from this we remove the 50 for mpex shareholders
davout: (you had 199.45006789 which was slightly off due to this hot wallet error)
davout: let's go through it
davout: mircea_popescu: re your comments, you took the previous hw numbers (i made a small mistake in accounting its amount)
davout: looks like the web log is not up to date
mircea_popescu: anyway ; marissa o'hare was a party girl 15-20 years ago. always lulzy to see gals still clinging on to their "29" pix.
ben_vulpes: fine way to spend a sleepless night
mircea_popescu: look at those fabulous pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/blabla delays.
ben_vulpes: and just for lolz, let's see what this looks like in a plain text browser
ben_vulpes: lol and lindsay anderson doesn't even give enough of a shit to put up anything other than a party pic
ben_vulpes: there's always one beardo taking photos of the inside of his nostrils
ben_vulpes idly browses faces on their website, looking for this 'shoulda'
mircea_popescu: (wenner media, rolling stone magazine publisher, they used to sort-of matter in 1982.)
mircea_popescu: didja know wiener media is a thing ? hired some chick that shoulda been a stripper to "senior director of something or the other"
mircea_popescu: i've been chuckling and smirking all morning ; their treat.
mircea_popescu: fucking CAREERS at here today gone tomorrow no model no revenue no hope vc inflatatrons
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the url shortener? 24/7?
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.94, Best ask: 425.14, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 424.94, 24 hour volume: 5500.9353489, 24 hour low: 423.0, 24 hour high: 426.49, 24 hour vwap: None
shinohai: :Unlike the competition, we can gyarantee 81.3% uptime at a minimum"
mircea_popescu: and in yet more lulz, whoa BingoBoingo can you fucking believe the commenter interest in changetip ?! mindboggling.
mircea_popescu: not far away is the day "guarantee 80% uptime" will be an actual sales point.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, this bitly thing is out of the www fantasy lmao. " 24/7 Security We’re looking out for you. We have a dedicated IT team monitoring your account 24/7 and guaranteed 99% uptime. We’re always on the lookout, so you don’t have to be."
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/wHv <<< moar ShapeShit junk
mircea_popescu: davout so i'm thinking this is all good. getting back to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448430 i guess we rectify it to i owe you 199.45006789, you owe me 4.83378422 hw credit + 50 for mpex shareholders + 15.00178846 my share (i'm taking it you'll be paying kakobrekla's directly ?) which leaves a net of 129.61449521. that right ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: davout but speaking of which cent, you're not seriously going to make all the payments in one single txn are you ? who knows what other unworking bit of the unspecified protocol that "everyone knows" in retrospect but only after it happens we'll end up discovering.
mircea_popescu: davout doing the shareholder math only for verification, it comes out they should receive 86 BTC from auction - 13.37 your fee + 3.35043347 (1% of 335.04334737 winnings ) + 1.21 (donations) + 2.82314231 (house above) which then with the tx fees comes out right.
mircea_popescu: davout ok, so going through third report : as to note 2-3, so you took out 2.15+0.67314231 = 2.82314231 out of liabilities seeing how the house needn't pay itself, i reckon ? this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: at this rate the us army capital utilization efficiency can't be far behind.
mircea_popescu: including five straight months of 1/4 gb ram box at close to a btc/month pulling our dicks.
mircea_popescu: mats yeah. a fucking year with this, if you can believe it.
davout: ;;later tell trinque deedbot still chokes on trailing whitespace in OTPs, and from what i see the OTP comes with this trailing space when decrypted
ben_vulpes: hoard those old macs while ye can
punkman: been developing a serious aversion to replacing or buying new hardware
punkman: at least half of them commited seppuku
punkman: yeah I got that memo after trying to get 720/1080p video running on 4-5 linux/android SBCs
punkman: I'd like to believe that
punkman: and hope you can put together a kernel that works with your shit
asciilifeform: but perhaps one day i will visit mod6 and ben_vulpes and they might teach me to correctly dismember a boar into sausages.
asciilifeform: sadly, where i live, this is something only rich, or at least well-leisured folks, can access.
asciilifeform: i dun have any experience with preparing freshly caught carcass larger than a fish. but - unlike www stack - would enjoy learning this.
mod6: ok, so anyway, i'll ponder some things tonight and tomorrow, and we'll discuss more.
mod6: used to be here every small town had a guy, and you didnt fuck with him
mircea_popescu: half of these guys look like they really shoulda been in surgery.
mod6: its a lost skill up here for the most part.
mircea_popescu: cattle, you definitely should come to argentina.
mod6: i feel like i wanna learn how to butcher cattle.