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PeterL: ;;later
tell jurov could you look at CoinBr, seems whatever mircea_popescu did messed up
the account balance
mircea_popescu: they don't currently HAVE
trillions, for any purpose, including feeding
the apparatus.
mircea_popescu: or stuck improvising for lack of viable strategy
through events unfolding no one could have predicted, or or or.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow inexplicably,
the lengthy string of apologies and mp-worship does not seem
to in any sense balance out
the very short chain of vitriol and mp-bashing.
mircea_popescu: the ustards, as worthless as
the middle east showed
them
midnightmagic: I'm going
to go murder some videogame people and make some geeks scream futilely at
their
TVs now; I mention
this mostly
to excuse myself from present conversation and so as not
to exit said chat more rudely
than I must. As always, nice
to be able
to use words bigger
than
two syllables, dude. \o
midnightmagic: He hated
them. He liked nice horses but as a whole found
them capricious and unpredictable beasts harder
to maintain
than an old austin.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic he was 70ish, and was a small child at
the
time.
mircea_popescu: the whole argument is
that
there's nothing wrong with infant and generally youth mortality IN PRINCIPLE.
midnightmagic: No, it's not, but I mention it as an example of why
the notion itself is problematic
that infants should die in order
that
the remainder be presumed strong.
mircea_popescu: as factual as it gets, most buildings on eitehr side HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN
THOSE HORSES.
mircea_popescu: (i've had
the pleasure
to do exactly
that - by
the way, stuck in cab with old driver on avenida corrientes - which has been here since
the ancient days before planes were a
thing - and reminescing how
this road was fine back when 20 men could ride abreast - but not so far
today when 3 cars and a bus can)
midnightmagic: I'm not going
to be defending millenials, by
the way.
Their particular deficiencies appear
to be maladaptive.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily
that far. merely pointing out
that
this car is worse
than a horse is not necessarily a proposition
to eschew all further use of fire.
midnightmagic: ahI hardly
think a baby's chance encounter with chlamydia is a positive evolutionary pressure. Besides, if all
that was
the ideal
then all medicine must be eschewed in service of
the notion of natural selection, while a belief in our *ability
to detect long-term positive evolutionary mutations* must be assumed perfect.
mircea_popescu: "oppressed" and "violent" and whatnot sound bad on paper - but in practice all it means is
that "you can walk into
two bars, one of which has sensibly shittier people
than
the other". choice is more or less obvious.
mircea_popescu: which is part and parcel of why
today's west utterly sucks : most of
the walkers should have been dead before puberty.
mircea_popescu: however - it
turns out high infant mortality is absolutely necessary for males
to even consider starting a family. if
there's 0 natural selection going on in
the litter
the
task of extracting unworthy worms from
the wailing woman's clutches
to bang
their head against a rock is just
too damned demaning and ultimately not worth
the hassle.
mircea_popescu: iirc
this was discussed in
the channel last
time someone
tried
to use
the "life expectancy"
thing.
midnightmagic: Unrelated factoid:
the life expectancy numbers shockingly low are usually calculated as an average including infant mortality rates.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, "This is your XQJ-37 plasma cannon.
The only
trouble is
that since
the old model XQJ was cobbled
together from junked Amiga motherboards, you can only have one shot on
the screen at a
time."
mircea_popescu: for one
thing,
there's
the "we were younger
then"
thing.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, because happy people don't
tend
to make facebook pages
midnightmagic: I know of nobody who was happy he was
there except Soapy Smith and his gang
themselves.
midnightmagic: That is
true. Can
the poison be separated from
the person now? Is it possible
to live a pure life in
that sense? I know some who do. Like right now. Friends. And while integration with our life is impossible by now,
they are wistful.
mircea_popescu: EVEN when bureaucrat run
town consists of "give everyone foodstamps", ie, it's not even self-sustained.
mircea_popescu: and note
that most people lived quite happily under same soapy smith. in fact, from experience a mob run
town is a better place
than a bureaucrat run
town, without exceptions.
mircea_popescu: but
this is no basis for any sort of discussion of
the possibilities.
mircea_popescu: well of course as you are now you'd pick your poison.
that's
the problem.
midnightmagic: e a kind of fiefdom in such a past I
think might wish
to make
the journey
to begin with, but exposure
to violence of
the sort Soapy Smith meted out is, I
think, something no one given
the choice with eyes open could make, constitution notwithstanding.
midnightmagic: Of course were I pure hypothetical pure soul standing in front of many bags, into each one I could leap and choose what
time I arrived, absent any cultural baggage and in any event viscera at all, perhaps I would
think differently. As I am now? Disease, sanitation, violence, injustice, cruelty, exposure, starvation..
these are alien pressures
to any of us. A rare, rare few
thinking
they could achiev
mircea_popescu: except "civilisation" is what
they had, not what you do. and your idea of "justice" is... welll.
the sops.
mircea_popescu: your epithets are about as interesting as
the miners calling you a confused youth with no real understanding of
the world.
midnightmagic: The people who sought out
the Klondike were people whose lives were often equally brutish, violent, oppressed, and hateful. Hard work was so hard by our reckoning
that doing it at home or believing
the lies of
the
thrice-remove rumour mill impossible
to corroborate was enough
to drive
them by
the
thousands across land and sea and river for
the promise of a life *where
they no longer had
to deal with
mircea_popescu: 100 ways
to die in
the west or no, mark
twain died in his bed after smoking
two carloads worth of cigars.
mircea_popescu: just because one style of lying is replaced by another style of lying doesn't mean we've reached any closer
to "factual".
midnightmagic: Amusing
tangential but related example is Seth McFarlane's diatribe in 100 Ways
To Die In
The West, which in its agonizing detail describes wild west living in a way rarely seen in sanitized novels written by people more interested in Marty Robbins folk song. :)
mircea_popescu: the people who went
to klondike SOUGHT OUT
the perilous life
they lived.
the people stuck in
traffic sought out no
traffic.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-15 06:31 cazalla: ben_vulpes, comparable homes in my area are going for 600k, supposedly worth so much more
than what my grand parents paid for
their massive acre blocks back in
the day where
they were able
to raise lots of kids on one wage yet i'm supposed
to believe you're average australian couple who both work and pay for someone else
to raise
the 1 kid have it better because
the
total lack of land and bricks is worth $$$
mircea_popescu: the notion
that
this sort of
trade appeals
to anyone but
the patently insane is... well.. patently insane.
mircea_popescu: and
then explains
the importance of abortion for
to increase
the qty of quarts of icecream in
the house.
mircea_popescu: instead, she gets a mother
that forces a curetage on her
that ends up with a hysterectomy,
mircea_popescu: consider as a simple example palindromes, a 2004 film by
todd solondz. it
tells
the story of a plain, common girl aged 13
that wants
to get pregnant. she is in
this representative of a small but present
throughout history minority. for living in any other
time, she would have had a husband, children and a family and been perfectly happy. such as is amply recorded, as undesirious we might be
to look at
the records.
midnightmagic: I merely intended
to convey
the hypothetical notion of an actual life as experienced first-hand. Even 100 years ago frontiersmen arriving
to
the Klondike, as a more accessible example, lived a life so perilous and filled with hardship I doubt nearly anyone alive would choose
to return
to it.
mircea_popescu: "a factual account" is an exercise in nonsense. should
this "factual" be presented in ideological
terms alligned with
the present insanity, and should
this "tabula rasa" item be somehow atuned
to same ideological
terms (which has exactly no chance of happening, but
they invested in promoting and preserving said idiocy like
to pretend it's somehow natural and universal, like all other ideological blind
tunnels ever),
then yes.
midnightmagic: Either
through modern weakness, or perhaps a lack of related distant observational choice of a pure soul about
to be born, it would surprise me indeed
to discover a current-era developed-nation citizen who when presented with a factual account of ancient human life would choose
to return
to primal ways.
The romance of
the garden of eden is similarly equidistant from fact as is
the romance of classic
mircea_popescu: the only crapsack world is
the present, in
the sense
that
the only
time most nobody, historical or contemporary actually would choose
to live, is now.
midnightmagic: Such a
thing did I not say; but rather
to assert both
that a 12-day repeating cycle would be a sad life, and
that ancient humans lived a sad and brutish life
to which few, if any, modern humans would realistically adhere should
they find
themselves
the unwitting beneficiary of what heretofore might be considered
the romantic notion of historical displacement!
mircea_popescu: ~nobody at any point in history was as sad a lot as
the ~1bn dead souls captive in
the said remains of "the western world"
mircea_popescu: the notion
that
the aforementioned 7 day cycle / daily cycle human was SAD is so much fan wank,
to survive in
the minds of
the incredibly sad contemporary population mostly on
the grounds
that hey, panglossism is easy and where would
they meet a german serf anyway,
to find out first hand he was actually having a better life
than
they do.
midnightmagic: Historically humans have been a fairly sad lot by
the reckoning of reasonably educated developed-nation citizens. But no, it just seems
that while I look away
things happen
that I find interesting with frequent regularity.
mircea_popescu: hey, most humans historically lived on a 7 day cycle composed of a smaller 1 day cycle 85% of
the
time.
midnightmagic: It would indeed be a sad life were a human be doomed
to repeat a 12-day cycle ad infinitum!
midnightmagic: dangit. everybody seems
to do
things
the exact
times I'm not actively observing..
midnightmagic: hrm. maybe
the /topic needs and update for accuracy's sake re: +v being a sort of viral
thing
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: so if you are majority owner of
the new private mpex, did you just force a sale of mpex
to yourself?
midnightmagic: oh well, good denough
to just have active users willing
to do it.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic> oh. I
thought anyone who could +v
themselves could $up? << i'm not entirely sure how
this even works by now. possibly only l1 ?
midnightmagic: oh. I
thought anyone who could +v
themselves could $up?
BingoBoingo awaits seeing
this sold in Walmart bathroom aisle. Starting
to suspect instead of mp's watermelon field we'll just palletize obeasts