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phf: naggum
tried
to maintain his own versions of everything (i.e. burn it out with hot irons) and...
☟︎ phf: there's no solution
to
this kind of shit outside of "i use cmucl with emacs 19 and ilisp" or whatever, which is programmer's equivalent of mp's 2005
thinkpads
phf: can still (require 'cl), and it will work, but discouraged from writing since
there's no highlighting. next release using cl functions directly is going
to produce deprecation warnings.
phf: oh i understand. it's like
the cl mode.
they've been fighting cl mode for years, without success, because it's hellof useful. not only has cl mode now been replaced with cl-lib which prefixes ~everything~ with cl- (cl-first, cl-defstruct, cl-fuck-your-mother) but
they also disabled highlight of all
the cl forms. so cl-defstruct highlights, defstruct doesn't.
to discourage
the sins of
the flesh, y'see.
☟︎ phf: well, emacs is not outside hostile
to "obsolete". iswitchb-mode greets me with "this function is now obsolete" on each load. why? who
the fuck knows.
phf: heh, it has "modern" right
there in
the
title
phf: although i wonder where you should start
the emacs
tumour countdown, sometime around MULE
a111: Logged on 2016-01-19 04:28 phf: asciilifeform: you know
they produced a whole series of
those, f.el, dash.el, s.el. "modern"!
phf: ben_vulpes:
to be fair common lisp
tumor is mainly perceptible only
to a special kind of basket cases. it is still one of
the healthier ecosystems.
shinohai: It probably isn't ben_vulpes just
the first language
that came
to mind.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> "easy" means "this shit is so complex it will
take you a month
to realize
that it never worked in
the first place" << lol
ben_vulpes: lately being, oh, my entire
tenure on earth
ben_vulpes: eg common lisp has grown a decent
tumor of
the shit lately
ben_vulpes: shinohai: i don't know on what basis you
think
this is relevant
to any particular programming language
ben_vulpes: "easy" means "this shit is so complex it will
take you a month
to realize
that it never worked in
the first place"
ben_vulpes: "minimalist" means "i made an epic shitton of assumptions and
then laid down a zillion lines of code in support of
those assumptions"
ben_vulpes: and
that is
that if someone claims a software library
to be "minimalist" or "easy",
they are lying
through
their goddamn
teeth
ben_vulpes: one
thing i know
to be
true in
this world
mats: anglos go rite
to hell, etc
mircea_popescu: on
the grounds
that penis
too small
to get in normal way anyway
mats: the blood
thing worked out handily but i never got anything better
than food gift cards and free cookies, juice
shinohai: iirc
the Romans
taxed urine
traders, but did not know
there was a
thriving stool market.
mircea_popescu: at least
the cows get a quarter per gallon for
the milk
the supermarket sells at a dollar a liter.
mircea_popescu: check it out, fmt provider.
they sell
the shit you give
them for free ?!
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 21:39 asciilifeform: i have nfi why anyone here even bothers with reddit
today.
mod6: oooh, i heard about
that 'information superhighway
thingy'.
they say we'll all be doing everything in 'Virtual Reality' in a few years.
mircea_popescu: are
they not people ? if you fuck
them in
the ass do
they not bleed ?
mircea_popescu: well... reddit'll have
them, and what are
they
to do. let
the internet age pass
them by ? miss out on
the informational superhighway ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kids gotta go somewhere.
they're not allowed almost anywhere else.
mircea_popescu: phf if you peruse
the
thing it's obvious where it's at,
the 10 dollars or less bin.
phf: i suspect snr on reddit is so low
the event is not even going
to be perceived as something
that requires a cover up on such articulated
terms.
the burying is something in
the range between "confederate flag? downvote." and "mircea? something not scam? downvote."
mircea_popescu: worst day in
teh history of reddit, when it
turns out
that service closure WASNT scam.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 21:25 mircea_popescu: and for
that matter i've yet
to hear someone go "i'm not sending anything
to derpy webwallet / webexchange / webusgtronism because htey don't gpg sign
the address"
midnightmagic: I
think I'm one of.. perhaps
two people requesting it or
trying
to do something about it. We never know we need
that sort of
thing until one day we do.
mircea_popescu: and for
that matter i've yet
to hear someone go "i'm not sending anything
to derpy webwallet / webexchange / webusgtronism because htey don't gpg sign
the address"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: somehow, nobody has found it
their life's mission
to badger everyone into
the dust for
this, however.
mircea_popescu: everyone else is "well
this is what we print on
the screen" and
that's
that.
mircea_popescu: mpex being,
today as it was when it got started, exactly
the ONLY bitcoin service doing
this.
midnightmagic: The payment protocol
thingy Gavin did *can have* also
the property of saving signed invoices for
the client including such information but nobody cares and
there hasn't been a high-profile use of
the PP where a dispute ensued.
midnightmagic: ted,
to prove "hey,
this is
the address
they gave me, now
they're saying
they didn't receive anything but look at
this
txid."
midnightmagic: fwiw, I don't have much of an opinion one way or another. If I went into it knowing
this were
the case, I could find it very useful
to have
this property in my
transactions with, say MPEX. But for, say, a *deposit address* on a webpage for an exchange, I *would* want non-repudiability as per, say,
TLS message authentication extension in RFC .. hrm.
That RFC where it's defined but was never implemen
mircea_popescu: apparently, i'm discovering,
this is an entire market vertical, "young women + illegal sex". usually school setting, always some sort of lawsuit as
to rape, corruption, what have you.
mircea_popescu: i already had my sammich, doing a review of wild
things, of all
things. anyone saw it ?
mircea_popescu: copumpkin excuse me while i strawman you into a convenient position for
the benefit of
the kids.
copumpkin: but feel free
to demolish
that argument I never made
midnightmagic: I could see
that sort of
thing (non-repudiability) being useful for something like an exchange which operates under some kind of public law.
mircea_popescu: (news at 11, you'll still have
to
talk
to people, ipad or no ipad.)
mircea_popescu: this is neither universally
the solution, nor any sort of mystical geek messiah.
mircea_popescu: tech is a
tool. yes,
there are very good places where making
things work by
the cold equations makes sense.
mircea_popescu: occasionally reared its head around bitbet, "oh, you should do it so -and -so provably". met with
the universal "fuck you,
there's no way out of
trust." which, obviously, instructed
those who it instructed and washed off
the rest.
mircea_popescu: this particular fashion is more antiquated
than disco.
midnightmagic: copumpkin is pretty realistic about
things I
think. :)
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic
the chief problem here is
that
time has gone by and left copumpkin behind. he's still in
this lulzy 2012 where bitcoin was a geek
thing and
the fashion of believing "technology will supplant humans" went unchallenged, in
their own circles.
midnightmagic: "I warrant I will do
this when you ask." "I'm asking."