asciilifeform: but in the long term, the pill will have to be cuntoo ( which has permanent trinque repo, unaffected by enemy ) ; conventional gentoo should already today be thought of as 'frozen', emerge cannot be relied to work
asciilifeform: billymg: what you want is emerge --nodeps
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma bbl then, will not belabour the point.
asciilifeform: and if i were to, say, buffer packets, queue'em, always can say exactly how much space they will occupy.
asciilifeform: Mocky: ok. so, observe, i dun record or return lengths. all length are either $full ( which i tentatively had set to 512, pre-rftming) or invalid ( may as well 0 )
asciilifeform: only fulls and frags, is all there is.
asciilifeform: there are not actually variant packets on the wire!
asciilifeform: the physical nic ~always sends 1500!~ it also always receives 1500!!☟︎
asciilifeform: Mocky: i was describing why i wrote it as i did.
asciilifeform: i dun think i can say anyffing else to make this point clearer, it's imho as screamingly obvious as 2+2, if you take the time to rtfm. so i'ma leave it at this.
asciilifeform: Mocky: read up re what yer nic actually does. then will grasp that by pretending that it does something, anything , else, you incur runaway complexity cost and impedance mismatch. always.
asciilifeform: errything else is hokum created by ip stack theatrics. and incurs complexity cost for 0 win.
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's precisely 1 packet size. in physical box. 1500. it's the railroad gauge.
asciilifeform: point being, they're mirages, lies linux tells the hapless user.
asciilifeform: i for instance am sitting here and tryin', not always successfully, to cure folx of delusions that linux instilled in'em, e.g. 'tcp gives cheap an' reliable pipes' ( cured mircea_popescu after , what, 3y ) and nao 'udp packets can be anyffing, not merely 1472' (not cured yet..)
asciilifeform: Mocky: imho os should not perpetuate delusion.
asciilifeform: from electrical pov, you win nuffin by shortening'em under a frame.
asciilifeform: yer still sending 1500, even if packet is nominal len 3.
asciilifeform: ethernet spec. blame xerox , not asciilifeform
asciilifeform: nic sends and receives 1500 per frame! rtfm plz.
asciilifeform: Mocky: unixism per se had ~nuffin to do with it. incut away a degree of freedom. unnecessary degrees of freedom are fundamentally harmful in re simplicity/sanity.
asciilifeform: Mocky: y'understand what preallocated means. it means fixed, at compile time, here.
asciilifeform: diana_coman has a 'generic' ver, a kind of ada cheat i suggested ; but it has minus of preventing restriction encapsulation, as well as inevitably moar complex receiver (mine handles one size and one size only)
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun suppose you have a cured binary-types ? ( cured, but presently fails to run when i strip away the asdfism so i can work it into my tree bodily )☟︎
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...
asciilifeform: grr for fuck's sake what use is a bot that dun go half the time
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i.e. you dun have to 'check what it is' on top of existing logic, e.g. if port 9000 it goes to serpent, if 9001 -- to rsa , and each respective process validates per the existing rulez )
asciilifeform: if you distinguish by port, the os will throw them into the correct process 'for phree'. but sure
asciilifeform: i.e. simply run the acct one with 'nice 19 ...'
asciilifeform: having 2 processes (and if desired later, 2 boxes) to process the 2 types, will make priority queue simpler also.
asciilifeform: ( to nitpick painfully -- ~frags~ dun carry port; but you ain't fragging no moar, so this is not an issue )
asciilifeform: plus would let you put the new acct thing, potentially, on separate box, in fyootoor
asciilifeform: would get much simpler coad (i.e. my orig. fixed frame) vs the extended one with moar moving parts.☟︎
asciilifeform: cuz if it's simply to distinguish the rsa from the symmetricolade without wasting a bit in the payload, could simply listen on 2 ports...
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : didja ever say wai not made'em all 1472 ?☟︎
asciilifeform: all wankery similarly 'delicate', hates reality as balloon hates pin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey there's a reason wai the armenians ate as much lead as they did
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reads like 'ohnoez, donkey ate the carrot, how will he walk nao' lament
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meanwhile i read the paste, it's exactly the 'peasants' thread encapsulated.
asciilifeform: ( my old workhorse x60 is not a cuntoo, it is in fact my original deloused-gentoo platform on which i derived the poetteringism-exclusion, gcc<5, etc flags and related items )
asciilifeform: trinque: this will rock. and incidentally i'ma be baking that sunlight lappy next wk, and intend to set it up as a cuntoo box with whatever bleeding edge you come out with
asciilifeform: billymg: pretty much errybody here is at the stage where '1e6 hours worth of meaningful work, but only so many in life' -- but i gotta say i prefer this 'problem' to the alternative
