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mod6: Thought I'd stop in here first tho.
mod6: Yeah, it's real nice here too. I've actually gotta do a bit of yard work here in just a few mins.
mod6: heh, 1800 seconds to get it right
mod6: hi, how goes it? are you in the wot yet? might be a good place to start.
mod6: Ah, very cool, just noticed the /topic.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464299 <<< sed -i 's/being/bring/g' ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the other hand the braindamage list padded considerably. closing in on 3k by now
BingoBoingo: Apparently a DHS officer broke today, writing up the story
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
BingoBoingo: But for the bc,stats pming that is fine
BingoBoingo: I don't call ;;ticker --market all because I'm interested in what it reports at that moment in that moment. Mostly do it in case if that moment/day becomes interesting in the months that come.
BingoBoingo: I'll pm it for the time being. If we don't replace stats and ticker though it will be a pain not being able to link them in the logs from qntra when a story calls for it.
mircea_popescu recalls the good auld days of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-29#1116245 :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 02:55 a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 02:06 mircea_popescu: ah, no Known Moduli: 2018943. vs 2mn earlier today... so it ~is~ actually doing more like 20-30k/24 hrs ?
mod6: "i deleted my gpg key" wth, this isn't super mario bros, bro.
mod6: had a good laugh about all of this craig stuff lately.
asciilifeform: 'Standards bureaucracies like the Linux Foundation (which consumed the Free Standards Group in its' ever-growing accretion disk years ago) happily document and add to this sort of complexity without ever trying to understand why it was there in the first place. 'Ken and Dennis leaked their OS into the equivalent of home because an RK05 disk pack on the PDP-11 was too small" goes whoosh over their heads.'
asciilifeform: 'The /bin vs /usr/bin split (and all the others) is an artifact of this, a 1970's implementation detail that got carried forward for decades by bureaucrats who never question _why_ they're doing things. It stopped making any sense before Linux was ever invented, for multiple reasons...'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i forget, did you ever give me a place to send shirts to
danielpbarron: later tell worked for me a coupla hours ago ; turns out nubbins` intends to return my t-shirt payment
trinque: can probably wrap the call to bc in some shell script that kills it after x seconds
trinque: yep, gonna stand up a disposable box for this kind of thing
asciilifeform: don't host it on the missile control box.
trinque: I didn't see that the thing can shell out
trinque: asciilifeform: can you think of a reason why passing $calc back to bc would be dangerous?
trinque: got the $google one in there today, will do others during next week
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 17126/38479; 1272349/1298527
alikim: I thought it's gonna be hairy sousage like fingers with heavy golden ring
mircea_popescu: i'm not THAT old.
alikim: You have younger hands that I'd expect
mircea_popescu: name and key. all it needs to say!
mircea_popescu: not particularly cultivated, i don't think, looks sort-of alcatel / self-trained level, but that's not really relevant.
mircea_popescu: programming has for a long time been talent starved ; likely to continue indefinitely ; and you're certainly talented.
mircea_popescu: not that different.
mircea_popescu: weren't you all about teh money ? \
mircea_popescu: alikim i have a life and 5 live-in slavegirls. lost track of how many actual computers, but prolly close to a megawatt any given day. yet if i said "o btw i lost my key" i think everyone'd just stop breathing.
alikim: I have 4 computers and a life and I live with normal people, if you go on them like "I lost my pgp key, I lost my life" they suggest you visit a doctor.. or get laid and drunk in any order
mircea_popescu: but yes, i support the notion.
mircea_popescu: alikim> ideal client would be a console app, it doesn't need 3d engine or visuals << word. jurov was sort-of working on this, actually.
alikim: was tempting though
alikim: I need to dig into how to run a copy of geometry on the client and that's too much for me, otherwise I could reuse network classes from the package and other stuff
danielpbarron: although that won't always be true, but certainly for the time being all that's needed is a console
danielpbarron: but you like the on winbl0wz part
alikim: no in what kind of shit the client is
deedbot: danielpbarron rated alikim 1 << Euloran who likes to hack the client on winbl0wz
alikim: so scream much energy... I found that key on another computer
mircea_popescu: the one thing agar jars produce consistently is failure. human population no better than random chunk of bacteria in this regard.
mircea_popescu: so would bakersfield ; or the whole state of pennsylvania
mircea_popescu: trinque> whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits. << depends, dude. argentina would be certainly better if current population got wiped.
mircea_popescu: trinque why's more than a coupla needed ?
phf: pretty safe bet, if a111 is missing, logs dead, but no worries they are still being recored with my bouncer. i'm almost done with a better logger, that reconnects. will take it live over the weekend
trinque: incidentally, the WoT may be the only social system capable of operating at the scale of a planetary system.
trinque: how many humans does it take to own a solar system?
trinque: this idea that we depopulate the earth down to a million individuals or something is not unlike the nerd fantasy that he'd really like his brain to live in a jar in some robot than in his body
trinque: how many humans on earth does it take to raise an army worth a shit? obviously there is not a single answer to that question because then the other guy gets n+1 and it runs away until you're back at now.
trinque: whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits.
trinque: I don't particularly mind the fact that, having covered the whole habitable earth, we killed off most of the species that used to eat us.
trinque: rather, not area, the desirable parts of the whole earth
trinque: it means to have your species as the dominant predatory species in a given area
asciilifeform: trinque: what's it mean to 'own an earth' ?
trinque: said the sexual dynamics of everything ever
trinque: losing females is more costly to population than losing males
trinque: how many humans is enough to own an earth?
asciilifeform: (there was once a (3) - plow, but i prefer tractor)
mircea_popescu: are usure tho, that nothing in this world reduces to cunt physio-anatomy, everything else is special and distinct from cunt ?
mircea_popescu: this may be true.
asciilifeform: i'd rather train seals.
asciilifeform: but in any other context they have no redeeming value whatsoever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seems to idealize the poor and stupid because - i suppose - when they come with cunts, those work just as well as any other cunt
mircea_popescu: certainly useless in any individual case, which is the bane of statistics.
asciilifeform: and i don't see the stupid being more likely to conform to fact than anyone else
asciilifeform: happens to young and old alike
mircea_popescu: but age and poverty better predictors than intelligence, for that behaviour
asciilifeform: it occasionally does happen that somebody gets pushed into cognitive dissonance mode and spews chunks upon encountering undigestible fact
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to go "oh i am so impressed by the unexpected arguments this young chap has espoused on the internet, i'm going to now change my priors" anymore than you're going to go "o hey, the irc has convinced me, i am now finally moving out of the us". people've made their life choices, and that's that, reality exists only to either promote their personal stupidity or otherwise be ignored as best it can.
asciilifeform: at this point even cocker spaniel knows that 'no good comes from talking to cop, even in principle'
mircea_popescu: and this is exactly how it goes with "we just want to ask you a few questions", which is why you don't talk to the police, and everything else.
mircea_popescu: waste of your time.
mircea_popescu: had you said something THEY COULD HAVE USED, they would have. as you said nothing that makes them any better, it never happened.
mircea_popescu: where's the kaiser discussion.
asciilifeform: speaking of drilling fuckable openings, the 'oss' thread appears to be wholly dead.
asciilifeform: and what kind of luser works anyway!1111 winnerz eat from their 10,000 heads of cattle and rent from the baronial landz!11111111111
mircea_popescu: the third party that's interested is only interested in raping them, and generally does not believe in employees.
asciilifeform: which in turn is logical, being that these are the 2 large orgs stuck on, each for its own strange reasons, winblowz
asciilifeform: (i.e. the only folks seriously willing to pay for serious crapware analysis are usg and cn, and i'm not in either's wot)
asciilifeform: that experience is what really woke me up to the dead-endity of the field
asciilifeform: (not that you actually ~need~ this, there are 1,001 ways to detect vm, and against 101 there are no countermeasures)
asciilifeform: i shit thee not.
asciilifeform: ~all~ of them.
asciilifeform: vt STILL names its winblowz vm TEQUILABOOMBOOM
asciilifeform: tip to aspiring virii authors:
asciilifeform: whatever you want to call it, it was an elementary case of 'you made something that actually works? good for you? now eat shit and die.' vs 'yacht rat? welcome aboard, your shit is sausage here'
asciilifeform: which takes capital.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of "build better mouse trap" only.
asciilifeform: then when i and a buncha blokes opened a co that offered thing that would analyze crapware WITHOUT USING VM, that is, on ordinary x86 (but with some hardware magic),
mircea_popescu: "experts" in sticking their finger up their own ass and tasting it afterwards.
asciilifeform: because they detect their (very easily detectable) vm, etc.
asciilifeform: likewise a large fraction of samples on vt don't even ~run there~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a very large share of the samples on vt are 'not detected'
mircea_popescu: that settles that.