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asciilifeform: another, smaller (people-wise, financially - mega-hedgefunds, as described in l0gz) is the 'privates'
asciilifeform: one, the largest, is the public unis - most of which originally began as late 19th c. land grants, and formerly taught useful things - agronomy, mining, metallurgy, etc.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 my tbot can now add/remove tickets, little ugly but working :D
asciilifeform: for n00bz: there are really three types of higher ed racket in usa.
asciilifeform: the american college racket illustrates this better than anything else i could think of
asciilifeform: the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala. ☟︎
asciilifeform: not that quota would have helped. ☟︎
asciilifeform: so the armenians ended up filling all the juicy posts. for a while.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here' ☟︎
danielpbarron: ;;later tell BingoBoingo article on core fork says "has not yet publically made any public statements" -- seeme redundant
davout: phf: log doesn't appear to sync properly ☟︎
asciilifeform: i watched this, alive.
asciilifeform: recent specimens of wunderwaffen are liable to, i shit thee not, have '3d printed' plastic parts.
asciilifeform: it screams 'i pay for some derp to go to yaleprinceward and for two shriveled hags' alimony'
asciilifeform: in precisely the way ru tech screams 'angry and cheap and fuckyou',
asciilifeform: ever handle a piece of american mil tech designed post-reagan ?
asciilifeform: optimized, quite clearly to the naked eye, for max rake
asciilifeform: who rakes in the dough.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who designed an anti-nuke system that depends on parking lots ffs. or, for that matter, who the fuck believes this/
mircea_popescu: because why the everloving fuck.
mircea_popescu: or, as the case is here, land based locators. really, you're gonna use something on land ?
asciilifeform: guess they didn't want to become a ru bombardment-prior-to-launch zone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news, ro politruk class snubbed the us inauguration of some radars or w/e on romanian soil, part of rocket shield lulzfest.
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466710 << wat's this ☝︎
asciilifeform: lulzily, ro embassy had a ludicrous display titled something like '100 years of usa-romania fellat^H^H^H^H^Hriendship'
mircea_popescu: of course as far as the crap on tv went, "la cererea publicului [tele]spectator"
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 http://ephemeralp2p.durazo.us/42bb769b817d7b02f237f1754ab7c1287880dc59547f30af28208ff21a3caff6 ☟︎
asciilifeform: where on both sides of the table there is a nod and wink, because 'everybody knows'
asciilifeform: somebody... (vaclav havel ?) had a spiffy essay, long ago, re how inca empires invariably fall into having a set of officiose idiocies, enumerated expressions like this.
asciilifeform: and can jurov tell us what it is in cz ?
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu ! how do we say that iconic utterance in ro!? )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466576 << this flavour of claptrap is becoming a sop pattern innit. ☝︎
BingoBoingo still rolfing at pool that gets ruined if it is pissed in one too many times
asciilifeform: though, funnily, i know of at least one winblowz trojan that bundled a mips ~emulator~ internally
asciilifeform: from the lulzmachine,
mircea_popescu: no man has a famblee unless a) he's an idiot or b) the woman's +ev.
asciilifeform: well in the sense of 'must have this much strength to play' strictly
mircea_popescu: you think the young are at an advantage on oregon trail vs say boston ?!
asciilifeform: where the young are advantaged
asciilifeform: where there is not so much resource to go around
asciilifeform: might be specifically true in dying cultures
mircea_popescu: so currently i'm suspecting it's more of an environment issue than an old man issue
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. i am not convinced by this theory because i've seen the % vary very wildly across culutres.
asciilifeform: a kind of 'dog in the manger' in just about every case i've personally dealt with
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:41 mircea_popescu: mental health, i mean. the problem of "coffin liners" that asciilifeform discussed in the log is the direct counter to this. if they don't catch their death of cold, they lose track of themselves. this is not good.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466554 << arguably, ~old men~ in whatever form, tend to wreak havoc on whatever it was that they meaningfully contributed to as young men - think of millikan, say. the 'eminent scientist emeritus' is, typically, a revolting specimen ☝︎
BingoBoingo: More too the point can't swim in the real ponds because couldn't avoid ruining them. Can't smart enough for civilized chemical fest pool. Y Not fake pond?
BingoBoingo: In other lights off trends https://archive.is/LFJf2
mircea_popescu: so whether they are or are not distinct, there's no requirement the distinction can be stated.
asciilifeform: nonphysical solution to quadratic,etc
mircea_popescu: (there isn't a general rule that all edges of the implication ball are part of this world. much like there's no guarantee that all the numbers coming out of a defined arithmetic operation are in the set of numbers you can display)
mircea_popescu: there's no way to even show that the possibility of such meaning exists.
asciilifeform: i'm not certain that a setup built by folks who 'hate the morlocks' would be readily distinguishable from the existing one.
mircea_popescu: now, WHY the three people that actually matter may no longer do their magic... whatever. maybe their toy breaks. maybe evil alien xenomorph mp comes and breaks their moore law and they're up shit creek without it. maybe they just start hating the morlochs.
asciilifeform: 'managing' the .1.
asciilifeform: yeah, factory, office, etc. still 'employs' the 10
mircea_popescu: which is to say not much of anything at all.
mircea_popescu: overall, the tribe of monkeys still makes ~ what it always made
asciilifeform: now this - surely.
mircea_popescu: so today things are just a lot more fragile and that's all.
mircea_popescu: fact is that where you needed 10% of the population before you need 0.1% now. and, economy being what it is and human nature being what it is, this "saving" did not get passed on. it just went into lazy, inefficient and wasteful.
mircea_popescu: no particular construction was built on top of it. could be this, could be that.
asciilifeform: well the way i read the thread, it was about hypothetical 'if these 3 folks stay home, the trains stop' vs classic sov 'i'ma be a furnace stoker instead of engineer because fuckyou'
mircea_popescu: stuff like http://trilema.com/2015/other-peoples-money/ is actually documenting the tail end of that shrug.
mircea_popescu: for which reason there can not exist "america" of the previous millennium. not no more. nor "western europe" nor any of the rest of the stuff.
mircea_popescu: happened sometime in the 90s, also. after a brief euphoria post the berlin wall moment, people went "well what now ?". just like in that joke with the gypsy woman, "do we wash it or do we make another ?"
mircea_popescu: happens all the time ; but in order to live in a certain shared psychosis, the key is to "not notice".
asciilifeform: presumably you and i would notice if they decided to vodka instead of work one day
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well the thread was about hypothetical 'three good men' who keep the lights on
mircea_popescu: notably, the us exists today because some people shrugged at some point in the 18th century.
BingoBoingo: Seriously shrugging is a passive thing. Bouncing the world and the enemies attached to it across the hardwood would be noticed. Who the fuck notices someone else shrugging. Shrug is uninteresting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox wake me up when this
asciilifeform: i love it when mircea_popescu takes 'my' traditional side in argument - e.g., as seen here, argument ad metacocksucknsa ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are the one who suggested Atlas "shrug". Shrug is different from Atlas takes the ball off his shoulder, dribbles it down the court, and makes a three point shot.
mircea_popescu: throughout the 70s women never "seemed" to suck the cock in real life either.
asciilifeform: i can think of 1,001 illicit uses
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466537 << for some peculiar reason, 'atlas' never seems to 'shrugged' in real life. << keyword being "seems". ☝︎
asciilifeform: (not that such shielding is esp. feasible in the general case)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzily, somehow usg has not caught up with the profusion of cheap thermovisors that it itself (via massive subsidies) caused, and they've no meaningful shielding
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?) << this is quite so.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you too see l0gz
asciilifeform can't wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and comment 'you are imbecile, and reason like a slave!1111 REAL MEN can, MUST subsist on the bone marrow of their enemies! what filthy coin'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well no shit. also helps that in real life there is not a 'gulch' for them to escape to.
BingoBoingo: No, the problem is the fucking scabs who keep on
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466537 << for some peculiar reason, 'atlas' never seems to 'shrugged' in real life. ☝︎
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Evs
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:26 mircea_popescu: i don't think one third of present "first world" folk would pass a rigorous sanity check as executed by 1916 mental health practitioners.
asciilifeform: and yes, it is the harness which reddit et al are powered by, just like horse harness works because the animal likes going forward
asciilifeform: there is this notion that writing can turn meaningless waste of life into some sort of condensed meaning
asciilifeform: it is a frequent pasttime of the dying, the quasi-dead, and the living dead, at least those among them who are even semi-literate
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot you know, looking through it... one thing that struck me about the abundance of patently insane esl folk is, this strange, rare (from a clinical pov) tendency to minutiously document their whatevers.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466517 << prisoners, when they can get hold of a pen, also do it ☝︎
asciilifeform: (incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?)
asciilifeform: but it would do the trick.
asciilifeform: i dun have a thermovisor atm so can't tell for 100%.
BingoBoingo: none particularly close to where I frequent
BingoBoingo: lol, there are some of those scattered around this region too