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mircea_popescu: i also count all SORTS of things, including 3% corp tax in romania, for instance. wasn't there in 86
asciilifeform: bitcoin is really an electrically-enabled return to 200 bc
asciilifeform: all i see is complexity cancer, on which the usual scamvultures feast.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468573 << i'ma bite this bait. tell me, what constructive thing have improvements in finance in past 30y enabled ? ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and quite like ~all the other usg academics i spent most of my working life working with.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in life he was ~same as all the other greyhairs in the room
asciilifeform: (i was sent to sit on a committee of sorts, with him in it)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468579 << lulzily, shortly after i wrote this i actually met the man. ☝︎
Framedragger: sounds like amusing examples too, will check later ($dayjob)
Framedragger: re. golang, i understand the sentiment yeah
Framedragger: yeah i see what you mean. also nice to keep idiots in single basket
mircea_popescu: but should one be able to answer "use this thing"... well then. different matter altogether.
mircea_popescu: can't quite answer "get fucked" to something like that, not unless you're prepared to follow through and holocaust them all.
mircea_popescu: for instance, i'm deliberately keeping my ongoing "war on the web" as far as attacking forums goes on a very low roar. not that i couldn't scale it up and end ~any web-based forum, owing to the incredible incompetence of the scammers involved. but then, millions of derps would in a voice go "ok so these are bad, what should we do ?"
mircea_popescu: this is where one writes code as a young man that then makes them famous for rest of life, the c and whatnot of our time. you see what i mean ?
mircea_popescu: plenty of other good ones ( asciilifeform you recall reporting on that group pushing 20 year old schweizer as "wai of footure" at some conference ? ), but the more important point is, that this is a fine field for innovation as it stands. it's very far from "settled science", where the logical move is to simply import the universally accepted library and move on.
mircea_popescu: it's not very much clear there's anything much there besides the usual marketing crapolade. i dunno how familiar you are with this phenomena, but let me dig a fine example out of the log.
mircea_popescu: that aside, the IDEA of ipfs, as far as can be distinguished, is not necessarily bad.
mircea_popescu: anyway, Framedragger golang is not liked here because we don't own it, and we don't like usg.google more than we like usg.anything, and because it seems quite well engineered to work as a baited hook for the usg chump works. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: sort of like how qm is thermodynamics for grown ups
mircea_popescu: finance is a different story from chumpatronics, why teh haet.
asciilifeform: (it is the one science that will never stop!11111)
asciilifeform: and so i am not interested in a crypto lib that calls out to google crapolade.
asciilifeform: realize that 'golang' is not simply a language, but a set of libraries that is used by pretty much 100% of the extant soft implemented therein
mircea_popescu: back to the arts : no, not really. finance, believe it or not. and other things. few of which are "palpable" in the sense that farm derp could put hand on
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: turns out also that this has to be a personal conclusion.
asciilifeform: turns out it is 100% a waste of time to study certain things.
asciilifeform: but this was a mistake.
asciilifeform: until very recently i used to think quite like mircea_popescu above, 'sure, i'll read even if implemented in js'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right. which is my point - if you don't like golang pretend there isn't one. you can't invalidate design by "bad implementation" wtf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the contrary, there isn't a reference implementation.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> you wish to think in terms of your chosen art, which is meaningless. it's not always the same art that provides the additional leverage. <<< pretty much everything other than the infernal machines has been going to hell, visibly to naked eye. so which art would it be that mircea_popescu was thinking of ?
mircea_popescu: you can implement shit in whatever the hell you want. the reference implementation for cramer-shoup is in malbolge.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude i'm going to make the REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION of your next girlfriend in golang and what'll you do then.
asciilifeform: golang --> straight to furnace. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: was this the merkle data thing ?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i think you just answered yer own question
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah... thinking...
mircea_popescu: Framedragger doesn't mean much more than, "the correct path is to take a decent crypto lib, a distributed-hashtable-storage thing from one of the p2p torrent tools, and make a real social media app" ☟︎
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah ok i'm afraid i've to agree
Framedragger: > There's just no life in this idea as originally thought out, a browser thing.
mircea_popescu: however they may ebb or wane individually, of interest to man is the sum total.
mircea_popescu: you wish to think in terms of your chosen art, which is meaningless. it's not always the same art that provides the additional leverage.
mircea_popescu: the amount of work you CAN replace has been monotonously increasing since about then, mind.
asciilifeform: yeah but what part of any of this happened any in past 20y.
mircea_popescu: then in 1660... one's either a noble or not worth the mention, and this reduces to a few percent again.
mircea_popescu: by 1160, which catches us in paris, we're up to a leverage of maybe as high as twenty, and so "most men" is good enough an approximation. about 60-70% really.
mircea_popescu: the year is now 660, and we're in londinum. a man can replace the work of maybe two, give or take. the mean is one-something, and "everyone" is someone.
mircea_popescu: so, year is 160 ad, we're in rome. maximally, a man can replace the work of about fifty or so men, give or take. the mean of this is say 25. about 10% of the population can reach this, and lo and behold - about 10% of the empire's population is citizens!
asciilifeform: if anything, leverage pertaining to computer maxed out in '90s
mircea_popescu: let's take a retrofitted historical walk.
asciilifeform: where is this 'leverage increases' ?
mircea_popescu: as the bar to the individuation is fixed ~the mean of the leverage, so obviously as that increases the sigma-ness associated increases also (by about the square root ?)
mircea_popescu: as the maximal leverage avaialble to the individual increases, the % of things crawling out of cunts (which, recall, run perl) that may ever individuate decreases. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is also not creation. it is the result of expanding complexity.
mircea_popescu: the soviets had ~the same percentage, but simply killed them./
mircea_popescu: the truth of demographics is that underage males are mostly defective by mass. this is unfixable.
mircea_popescu: nah. i disagree. usa was first to pretend like underage male fuckwards are "worker bees", which only can be meaningfully attempted for ~a certain kind~ of software. what we reference here as the web.
asciilifeform: usa was really first to mass-produce entirely defective workerbees, and afaik they are limited to software
asciilifeform: and haven't since at the latest - the '80s
asciilifeform: the more interesting part is that the actual workerbees doing the gruntwerk do ~not~ think this
mircea_popescu: the very deeply ignorant approach is rather notable, to my eyes. derps seriously think that's how genetics works, much like a baby perceiving his environment as a photographic still rather than a dynamic equilibrium and so faceplanting self once an hour
asciilifeform: but yeah, when substance s is something that kills plant p but not plant p', and therefore may have been secreted by some past p', odds are 'it's happened before'
asciilifeform: well everybody is eventually nailed by 'so you thought you were...'
mircea_popescu: in another view, what's nailing monsanto is called "so you thought you were smart, eh ?". heck, plants've been here a while. odds are whatever random unwashed derp in our colonies comes up with, they've seen before.
asciilifeform: BUT was restructured as a chumpatron some time quite recently (90s?)
asciilifeform: one of the interesting things is that monsanto used to be an actual 'golden age of usa' chemical co. e.g., produced first commercial LED.
asciilifeform: the thing nailing monsanto has a name, 'epigenetics'
mircea_popescu: apparently phf gotta handcrank them, and when he sleeps...
mircea_popescu: incidentally speaking of https://voat.co/p/partnerprogram anyone knows the voat people ? i think it's conceivable mpex might list them...
mircea_popescu: possibly the most 12 dollars has bought this year anywhere in the world.
mircea_popescu: spoeaking of which, found a SPLENDID leather collar with metal spikes in local pet shop. top notch stuff, 12 bux.
mircea_popescu: i did find what i wanted in the end, though.
BingoBoingo: You know, I bet the local farm supply store would have had a better ball gag than all those porno stores...
BingoBoingo: Anyways it looks like reddit doesn't get much traffic anymore compare https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/1050659 to https://www.reddit.com/r/farming/comments/4k1jyv/monsanto_embargoes_argentina_from_getting_dicamba/
mircea_popescu: so pure speculation at this point, not worthy.
mircea_popescu: if i had any sort of local confirmation or somesuch actual meat. but i've not been investing in connecting to the local agros who the shit cares, and obv el presidente'd rather die than give up this one, and i'm noit about to start torturing elected presidents just yet.
BingoBoingo: I will in a couple hours, gotta get a string trimmer and re-piece. Or you know you could do the tie ins from Argentina bsns perspective.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe even worth updating the article for all these tie-ins ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess we retrospectively discovered what a major point of discussion in the recent bahamas-macri meeting was. and the local socialist fucktards thought they ran off and hid in the countryside because of them. lelz. "reddit we diddit!!1"
BingoBoingo: And yes, in play today.
BingoBoingo: Still, the point remains Argentina's only strategy is to void the monsanto glyphosate resistance patents locally
mircea_popescu: nice move covering it today for srs.
mircea_popescu: oh look at that, it's in play, also. bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: then the chumps bought back in.
mircea_popescu: anyway, looking at their stock the news was first heard by sophisticated investors q3 2015, ie recently.
mircea_popescu: they are exactly like the pharma.
BingoBoingo: Right, kinda the pharma model where having a pipeline of things to pattent matters more than anything else.
mircea_popescu: except you know, with much better pr than the usual pinksheet.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, monsanto is very much apple'd. the original idea seemed promising, in the 90s. sometime years ago, dunno exactly when cuz they've been keeping it secret and i never cared that much, they found out it's a doomed entreprise. ever since then... MON's been pretty much a stock scam.
BingoBoingo still wonders why Monsanto hasn't been digging for Diquat decomposing bacteria to make a wunderwaffen
mircea_popescu: this is why it's fucking hard & expensive to do genetic research ffs.
mircea_popescu: med. 3. keep doing this, depending on life form, MANY times. at least a dozen for plants, for instance, they express fast. mammals, 100s.
mircea_popescu: but yes, for any republican bioscientists in the making : the scientific way to study something like plant resistance to X is to : 1. create the first generation test environment. this means a witness, and a number of exposures (maybe dosed variously, with other substances too, etc). 2. create next generation environment. this means, your experiment now subdivides into as many experiments equal to 1 as there were tests perfor
BingoBoingo: Dicamba's bundled into a bunch of other commercial off the shelf consumer herbicide products already.
BingoBoingo: Anyways what I found especially lulzy was putting glyphosate and dicamba in the same bottle and calling it innovation.
BingoBoingo: Well, and some of them like fucking horseweed seemed to have never really cared much about glyphosate. Then there's Japanese knotweed which glyphosate will kill, but only if sprayed during the first new moon after the autumn equinox.
mircea_popescu: shows teh sort of "scientific research" that happens in the us based labs for the lulzy sham it is. "oh, we treated a crop of grass with this vial and the grass died. ERGO IT WORKS!!! we studied genetics under lamarck et all, don't understand much of anything. what do you mean, cultivate the survivors and see, what do you mean need a chain of witness blocks going down many generations ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose that must be the explanation, "carried resistance". ie, they had it, genetically, but not normally expressed. until environment changed and so genetic expression changed to fit.