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asciilifeform will bbl, in fact has to do something ~on the pictured box~ no less !
mircea_popescu: anyway, i am a skald, my name's oglaf, an' FOR THE C
asciilifeform: briefly were in the wild here in washingtonistan
asciilifeform: i saw them, i think, alive
mircea_popescu: ~same look and feel as that klonk, "we hacked up some old slot machines" "why ?" "dunno"
mircea_popescu: before apple made portable tablets and ruined him ?
asciilifeform: cuz, elementarily, it has to load that crapola from ms
mircea_popescu: you recall the amiga guy's failed bid to make a sort of tablets-in-tables restaurant/amusement park ?
asciilifeform: takes almost 10sec from click to display menu
asciilifeform: slow, too
mircea_popescu: is this where the "rounded corners" trend ends up ?!
mircea_popescu: that looks fucking terrible
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/winblows10.jpg << from a reasonably fresh install. i shit thee not, is what stock install's menu loox like.
asciilifeform: dungo yet, mircea_popescu , i took a screenshit just for you!
mircea_popescu shall be off to lead his virtual armies. which is how one survives on modern "operating system" : by spending all the time inside pre-modern, 1990s era games.
BingoBoingo: AHA, yes. I have seen the Win10 ad machine in a zoo!
asciilifeform: ( not only not worx, but ~shows ads~. 'wouldja like to play 'candy crush ?' erry time hit menu, etc )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i actually got this thing going. you ever played the kb franchise ?
mircea_popescu: vaguely reminds me of the old ibm-pc clone days, when ~nothing worke
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu by nao beat the shit out of asciilifeform's record -- asciilifeform barfed permanently after one time 10min on shituntu
mircea_popescu: most of the fucking processes can't even be brought up by clicking on this derp-ass gui
asciilifeform: this is prolly why most gamez aficionados end up with bona fide winblowz box in the house
mircea_popescu: but i was trying to get king's bounty legends of the north booted.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that part doesn't work, of course. and you should see what the glyph engine looks like.
asciilifeform: thought, for some reason , that they actually rebuilt their gamez
asciilifeform: i had nfi that 'linux steam' ran under emulator.
asciilifeform: fwiw i never used the icons / faux-winblowz-desktop pheature
mircea_popescu: everything in the shitpile is way less from upclose than it appears / pretends from a distance. EVERYTHING.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i knew, 'wine' worked pretty well... then again, the only thing asciilifeform ever ran in it, was 'ida pro', and with fully decade-old copy of 'wine' by nao
BingoBoingo: Seems this is kinda intentional on Ubuntu's part. Making Windows appear viable.
mircea_popescu: this damned thing is almost exactly windows, i dunno why even bother with emulators, should just run win binaries native by now.
mircea_popescu: but the icons in the tray ? they stay.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-19 16:30 mircea_popescu: i could keep on forever -- old one, had directly accessible screen resolution switcher. new one -- does not, so that if (for instance!) your settlers 4 wine installation fucks the screen leaving it in 800x600 mode upon closure, either you know to xrandr -q xrandr --output --mode directly, or else you reboot.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile continuing the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918697 nonsense : wine doesn't work worth a shit on the new ubuntu. it never worked splendidly, granted, but it was quite workable last i looked into this half decade ago. it degraded significantly. for instance, after a bunch of installing various, i'm left with a taskbar fulla dead icons. (well, in fairness they bring up a transparent exclamation point in a tria ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: If the aim is fucking with empire, off the shelf fiberglass hulls are prolly the way to go.
BingoBoingo: Kind the point of fiberglass is minimizing the cost of scuttling it when necessary
asciilifeform: you can't exactly fix the fiberglass by careening it on rando island and with local tree bark.
BingoBoingo: Indeed requires slave empire or thing approximating. Fiberglass thing however... lower organizational demands.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-31 13:48 asciilifeform: in 1 particular documented case, where boat was raised 7yrs later, they found that an old salt turned valve in wrong direction. fella served on a diff design for a decade, where dir was opposite. he put such strength into 'closing' valve that the handle was bent. rest of crew breathed for 2wks, aside from one who hung self in bed and another who shorted battery with both hands.
asciilifeform: and all of'em had to actually know what they were doing, or -- problem. ☝︎
asciilifeform: sovok vessels in particular were designed with very heavy reliance on cheap manual labour on board. simply to load torpedo took iirc 4 men. and to steer, no fewer than 4, etc.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that thing is very muchly a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 item . consider, even current-day ru navy has problems sourcing parts, continues to scrap old sovok vessels from lack of spares. ☝︎
asciilifeform: in some ways it was actually interesting, for asciilifeform , when talked to pete_d -- fella could not picture how life could be worth living at all w/out peacocking
asciilifeform: for the cost of just 1 such tub, d00d could live like a duke in e.g. cr, ro, etc. but -- without peacock tail.
BingoBoingo: So they can count patek to rolex ratio and price accordingly
BingoBoingo: Well that's what the next market is. Everyfucking thing goes "price on request"
asciilifeform: then he can sit on the golden throne and study flemish and 'fine breeding.'
asciilifeform: hang up the patek philippes as sail riggings.
asciilifeform: perhaps he can install the rolexes on the gunwales.
asciilifeform: send it to pete_d. who is prolly thinking, what to do, after already has solid gold toilet, why not also put it in a floating fiberglass tub the size of a small truck.
BingoBoingo: If you want bigger, that is a different market and you are getting out of yachts and into ships
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these look quite like the usa prices, i.e. 200-300k dubloons for a tub that won't even sleep 2 people
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So here's an example of new of the local market https://archive.is/soEt8 And here are a few used in ascending price order https://archive.is/DXd03 https://archive.is/yv8KF https://archive.is/HmaEo
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/21-month-sentence-to-new-zealand-businessman-for-video-sharing-in-new-zealand-no-copyrights-charges-involved/ << Qntra -- 21 Month Sentence To New Zealand Businessman For Video Sharing In New Zealand, No Copyrights Charges Involved
asciilifeform also brb, tea
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you. u;ltimately all things are baubleds/.
mircea_popescu: bureaucrats have other interests, and a very different sense of cool -- hence your horripilated reaction to pete d's internally coherent visions of normality.
mircea_popescu: which is the deep problem here : in socialist economy this class of "i made 20mn being smart" thing no longer exists.
mircea_popescu: whereas the bulk of the subculture was made up of 40 and 50yos, married for 20ish years, well tanned female keeping in shape an' intelligent dude who made his money by being clever.
mircea_popescu: those were more the "corporate" thing. if you had a porn empire or something. berlusconi had one, for all the 14yo african girlies to nudie dip off off.
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, the yacht asciilifeform personally took a ride on (for uninteresting saecular biz reasons) was a 1600 h.p. item.
mircea_popescu: thirty years ago. might account for the perceived 0.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the engine still runs by time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Argentina also gets pissy about letting them dock. In Uruguay welcome mat gets rolled out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: toyota is 2tonne, rather than 2000, and rolls 'without slipping' on dry land, neh.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Argentina shoots at them
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: china is always separate conversation. they dun get hit by pirates either, as it is known that they piss on 'no armed merchants' treaty and have full selection of e.g rpg7 on board
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you have any idea how far your car takes you on 10k of gas ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From what I understand the chinese commercial fishing vessels tend to not get customs checked with any frequency
asciilifeform: i suspect mircea_popescu missed a 0 in there somewhere, even diesel to cross ocean is prolly >10k naodays
mircea_popescu: "and this way, we don't have to worry about 5 star hotel having no bell hop or misplacing reservations and if we feel like making the 8 weeks 18... well..."
mircea_popescu: but that was the market there, "honey, since we're doing 5k x2 in plane tickets and 3-500 a night in hotel stays for 4 to 8 weeks each year, coming to a 25k or so, we could just pay coupla mil upfront on this piece of machinery that'll resell for maybe mil-mil and a half in five years and cost to own 10k or so a year, taking us just about even"
asciilifeform: as i understand, the world of rich folx 'not in a hurry to anywhere' is gone, yes
mircea_popescu: the yacht-as-it-was-used was a better-alternative-to-airplane+airport-plebcombo. slower (in the good sense -- anyonre recall the "downshifiting" 90s thing ?), not much more expensive (if you travel business class and 5 star hotel, you end up paying for summering in the carribean ~same as the cost to own yacht, give or take), infinitely more pleasant.
asciilifeform: (if could somehow get fiber to the dock..)
asciilifeform: *for that matter
asciilifeform: for that merit, imho even crackpot idea of datacenter ~on~ boat, where 'mno, not taxable, these machines are welded to the hull' may have merit
mircea_popescu: the yacht-as-a-place-to-live thing was, whatever, poor village farmhands imagining among themselves a consensus as to how riveters work goes in the big city up on those tall buildings.
BingoBoingo: This is a country of tourism and cows
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: there is the chance, but... boat owning is still privileged somewhat here.
asciilifeform: esp. in a bananistan where 20-30% import tax on just about anyffin
mircea_popescu: nfi tbh
asciilifeform: right, but would be surprised if today still not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform back in the day they ~didn't use to.
mircea_popescu: the middle class entirely does not exist anymore ; the item is no longer a token for the disused faine, either.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: outta curiosity, how do they do customs (or do they??) to the yachts ?
mircea_popescu: from my rock, the whole yacht thing (not a place to LIVE ON, orlol and all, mind) was a specific "token of entry" in a specific, upper-middleclass network.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
mircea_popescu: ie, not the thing it was. in 1999 we'd have prolly went over for dinner if invited ; in 2019 we'd just chuckle about the shawrmy.
BingoBoingo: Even in the middle west of old country joke was "Happiest days of boat owning are buying the boat and selling the boat"
mircea_popescu: poker is still A thing today ; the problem with it is that wherever you sit down you're gonna run into a buncha pete d's and tired old con men.
BingoBoingo: And yes the Puertito Buceo is rather full looking, but still has room to drop anchor. Another yacht club a few km away closer to capacity.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dug into subj very briefly in usa, and found interesting the diff b/w 'new' and 'gently used', more than tenfold typically
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it stopped being the thing it was ; it's still a thing but more in the sense of the rest of real estate "market" -- beneficial "owners" trying to extricate themselves out of the jam, long lost sight of the benefit or even the usage.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Quite a few boats I suspect are on the whisper market in kinda the same way just about any piece of real estate in the city has a price if you bother to ask.
asciilifeform: ( ...or, is it 'aspirational' a la tlp folx, who sail the sea until 1st leak..? )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did it stop being thing ? i went to boatyards, saw ~0 empty spots, lotsa boatism
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it ~was~ a thing, in the sense poker was a thing, whereby you could meet > a few dozen quite pleasant such folk in the respective haunts, from florida to just about eastern colombia etc, and then on the other side, mostly south of france, italy, greek islands etc.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is satisfied that no one has produced a miraculous matter from which could be built a boat that never requires dry dock etc.