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douchebag: Alright fellows, I know I hadn't really been contributing to the republic.
mod6: And I think that's the right idea.
mod6: I just +m'd it for now, but a long while ago we decided to keep it -m, so people could ask questions/speak freely.
asciilifeform: i thought we had +v
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 do you need it or something ? << Not at all, Sir. I was going to let it expire indeed.
mircea_popescu: i recall a time the word "cretin" was coined, by humans walking the swiss alps and discovering villages of these inbred morons, rendered stupid by the lack of iodine.
asciilifeform: ( i recall a trilema article where mircea_popescu actually walked fleanode looking for signs of life, found ~0 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i'll bet you whatever you want that much like the #lisp morons failiong to realise what candi_lustt is ; so #linux-whjatever will fail to realise why #trilema doesn't have a problem, and what a voice model is, and what EXACTLY it means to be the intellectual inferior.
asciilifeform: i dun think there is a cure for what ails these .
mircea_popescu: it's just... somewhere between outrageous and ludicrous, i guess. on one hand, the fucktarded, moronic kids, coming up on their own power and out of their own skulls with this fantasy alt-world wherein anyone has any respect for the usg.freenode fuckwits, and in which alt-world they're gonna make known the big bad secrets, little snowdens that they be.
lobbesbot: esthlos: Sent 12 hours and 56 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 12:47 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
Napsterbater5: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
mod6: The one that mircea_popescu rented for douchebag doesn't expire until the 19th iirc. I'll update you on that one. Unless mircea_popescu says to nuke it ahead of time.
BingoBoingo: mod6: There's the douchebag one as well. I am waiting on alf to give the order before I touch either of them.
mod6: But anyway, let me know if you need to know which one is his -- there are notes in the message I sent around couple days ago.
asciilifeform: ( how exactly this ties the hands of, e.g. , taiwanese fabs, i do not presume to know , but result is evident )
asciilifeform: i've turned up some hints that usg actually interferes with the ADC makers -- 'ohnoez, moscow could use fast ADC in radar set'
asciilifeform: i.e. are pressed shitboard , rather than hardwood.
asciilifeform: doubtful, all of the examples i've been able to peek into, are full of xilinx.
asciilifeform: ( in this context, 'sane' ~= sits on pcie bus, and ADC turnaround is fixed # of bus cycles, preferably 1. and documented i/o. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: note, not in the i-dun-give-half-a-fuck-what-it-costs market, either
asciilifeform: in other noose, since 1st time i asked the q in 2013, appears that there is ~to this day~ not such a thing as a 1Ghz oscilloscope with any linux support whatsoever.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, do you need me to shut down the box? << I will if you want me to pull it to swap cables.
diana_coman: thanks, I'm off to sleep
asciilifeform: ok , should suffice for test, i'ma report tomorrow .
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 15:49 diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, get eucrypt and run the tests for smg_rsa, something like ./tests 11 11 (i.e. 11 times test no 11)
asciilifeform: i'ma test on dulap also, it has identical fg/cabling setup to primary s.mg box
diana_coman: and I can't really reset that
diana_coman: asciilifeform, on smg main server I ran only dd although I never had any problems nor wobbles nor anything with the fgs there
diana_coman: sadly I don't know of any replacement to suggest, no
diana_coman: and other than the weird fact that read simply blocks randomly, I don't know
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ftr i am still on the lookout for anything like a practicable replacement for pl2303
diana_coman: a bit of reading on this famous pl2303 does suggest all sorts of "hanging" issues but I haven't found anything clearly applicable so far
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I doubt it's the cables really but can't hurt to rule that out
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm gonna try and replicate here in the torture room, with your proggy -- i have both cable types here
diana_coman: right, I'm anyway currently in need of a break and at a loss otherwise on this; so BingoBoingo at your leisure, please change the cables and leave only one FG plugged in for now; I'll get some sleep in first, so there's no hurry - anytime within next 10 hours works fine
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 19:57 diana_coman: asciilifeform, that tip says problems handling more than 2 but I have...2?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838486 << i've only ever observed pl2303-specific headache when 3+ operating ( and even then , consisted of slow, rather than halted, signal ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: i was about to suggest, to swap both cables , see if these can be ruled out
diana_coman: hm, before switching cables I can switch order of init and see if there's any difference anyway
diana_coman: as it is, it will have to wait until tomorrow anyway as atm I'm a bit at a loss wtf
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, how long would it take to get there and unplug one of the FG to have a test with only one? << I could go there and be back witing an hour
diana_coman: I would say it looks more and more like some issue with pl2303 mod
diana_coman: at any rate, updates so far are relatively few: can't reproduce it on different machine (though I still have a few to test...); it IS easily reproduced even with dd on smg test server
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that tip says problems handling more than 2 but I have...2? ☟︎
diana_coman: at that time I did not yet have the boot-time sh init though; I suppose I can add this to test sheet
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 13:49 diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo access to box & config confirmed; FG on ttysUSB0 had a wobble at first and I don't understand why: I ran the stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok and then tried dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 | hexdump -C but nothing came up; then I ran the stty on usb1 as well and tried again and it...worked; any idea wtf was that at first?
asciilifeform: 'if i actually fix it, would have to admit that it was buggy'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-27 15:03 mircea_popescu: "if i make it what i think it should be it crashes"
mircea_popescu: i'd settle for it just closing it.
asciilifeform: btw if anyone wants to experimentally observe the zombie effect, can do it with ordinary gnu 'screen' -- when opened on a tty with blocking i/o, will routinely leave zombie turd instead of properly terminating, then hours later you find that tty is wedged, and discover 9 copies of 'screen' in process table.
diana_coman: I thought Dr A said that of you actually!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ahaha dadatroll; but now I see why it didn't even ring a bell at all as I probably missed the comments section there/didn't follow it
asciilifeform: 'and for extra sport, i will also shit where you cannot clean'
asciilifeform: 'i will shit, you will clean'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 16:15 asciilifeform: unix i/o is retarded, if blocking read blocks, it gives you a zombie process , and the next process you start that tried to read same tty, will also become zombie
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> basically if I don't manage to reproduce it on any other machine, it would seem it's potentially to do with that specific system << Let me know if you want a pair of hands.
mircea_popescu: now i'm stuck re-reading all that... and esthlos thinks he has fucking problems. wait until you learn romanian, buster.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't recall it but sounds apt (as dr. a does wherever I read him)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you recall that lulz btw ? "nu-i ardelean, n-are rabdare adevarata, ii emulata-n soft"
mircea_popescu: to quote dr.a , i have no real sense of humour, it's software-emulated.
diana_coman: I honestly thought that was the main part of phf's joke there : the "control without dominate" in the spirit of modern times
phf: mircea_popescu: to be honest i didn't read into it past the roleplaying humor, but upon immediate reflection, your objection makes equally obvious sense
mircea_popescu: phf my problem is this : on one hand i'm trying, in jules' words REALLY REALLY HARD, to not be the fatass in http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-30#938314 snuffing the life out of everything ; on the other i just can't manage to distinguish the proposed "x without y" from the broad scheme that ruined western civilisation, "have wife without beating her". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 20:33 ben_vulpes: diana_coman: why does it need to be wholly separate machine? i think something might have flown over my head
phf: mircea_popescu: it's an adam wieshaupt quote, and i take its meaning to be in line with the stereotypes about his organization, control through influence rather than direct domination
mircea_popescu: aren't i glad we tested all this.
diana_coman: basically if I don't manage to reproduce it on any other machine, it would seem it's potentially to do with that specific system
diana_coman: so, the set_usb_attributes was commented out; I cleaned everything and did a fresh build; ran the tests and... it read 3 octets and then it blocked
diana_coman: right, machine is freshly up;I'll first run the .sh script just in case and try it with dd
mircea_popescu: phf if i may be so bold, why "control" without "dominate" ? seems these be terms of art, what do they mean ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it does sound like I'll have to
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform did not write the linux i/o subsystem ; nor the pl2303 kernel mod ; and will readily admit that they are sad. and if anyone has idea for some other means to connect a 115200 baud box to machine, that does not suffer from the weakness of these, i'm as always all ears )
asciilifeform: unix i/o is retarded, if blocking read blocks, it gives you a zombie process , and the next process you start that tried to read same tty, will also become zombie ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i think we have the answer
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I commented out the set_usb_attributes so basically it opens and calls fcntl to make it blocking but that's it; it took a bit longer to get stuck but it still did
phf: diana_coman: haven't had problems with usb reads, i've struggled with getting octets across ffi boundary before, which is probably what you're remembering re my work
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i agree, this kind of thing is absolutely impermissible, and gotta get to the bottom of it.
diana_coman: anyway, let's see: you suggest I take out the init, just open and read; set it up outside and then try; can't hurt giving it a try at least
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I even have the .sh + set it in cron, yes; the thing is that code has no idea so it would logically set it up as it wants it but...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/eucrypt_manifest/tree/eucrypt/smg_rsa/truerandom.c#L84 << seems like you re-init the usb dongle every time you read. this is not recommended, i've encountered a chinese ttl plug that wedges if you init it one too many times
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw I am trying to get it on my local box (non-musl) and so far it's working perfectly fine
asciilifeform: ( i have yet to witness this wonder. but there's always a first time. )
diana_coman: it should be, yes; as far as I can tell at a quick look at truerandom.c it is too
diana_coman: for the other, I had the FG init already
asciilifeform: i suspect buggy tty init ( e.g. wrong baud ) , in which case the data returned is also rubbish
asciilifeform: i.e. does this reliably happen on both of your FG boxen ?
diana_coman: fwiw I have this on smg testing server, proto-cuntoo
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, get eucrypt and run the tests for smg_rsa, something like ./tests 11 11 (i.e. 11 times test no 11) ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is immediately interesting and i'd like to replicate
diana_coman: hm, now the reading of octets from FG via EuCrypt randomly gets totally stuck and I can't even quite understand *where* ; wtf; I seem to recall someone else had some similar problem but I can't seem to find it atm; ave1 ? phf ? asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very old noose: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775301 ( he replaces all mentions of #trilema with '#fraudsters', and of mircea_popescu with something or other, i fughet, and possibly other substs ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 12:47 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
asciilifeform: ( i'd hope that new vtron format will abolish all inbandism. )
asciilifeform: btw i oughta mention , i had to resort to a modified vdiff.sh : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rB9AD/?raw=true for ch11 , as the ada comment syntax causes inbandism barf with classic vdiff.sh when deleting or modifying the comment headers at the start of ffa modules
asciilifeform: did i ever mention how phf's viewer makes patches a joy to reread !
asciilifeform: ( imho a peculiar hobby for a fella sitting on ~1k btc , but i've nfi )
asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually ) ☟︎☟︎
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838186 << 2016-03-23 may be the longest log I've read yet. these old logs are swamping me ☝︎