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mircea_popescu: moreover,
that makes
the bearer wide open
to all sorts of manipulation.
mircea_popescu: i don't have a specific conception of wanting
to be anything in particular.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 15:19 diana_coman: me: I do NOT WANT
TO GET USED
TO IT
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 13:03 asciilifeform:
the
thermodynamic 'taboo against
the coincidence' is described in, oddly enough, winnie pooh! '"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and
then he had
to stop and
think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good
thing
to do,
there was a moment just before you began
to eat it which was better
than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.'
diana_coman: them: why make a fuss? you'll get used
to it
mircea_popescu: they only learn
to regret going home
to sleep alone after 2osomething
diana_coman: well, my first experience as an employee, while still studying: something goes wrong and I'm
the only one
to make a fuss about it
mircea_popescu: girl explained
this
to me as
to
the amorous life of
teenagers.
they don't want sex as much, she said, with its icky dirty scary reality, as
they want
the possibility of having it, which is endorphin ladden goodness.
diana_coman: in my experience chumps do not want
to escape
mircea_popescu: and in any case,
the bias is from genetics.
the genes you carry have
their own little chess game going and you're
the pawn. much like... well, everything else.
diana_coman: heh, I guess I'm saying
the same
thing as mircea_popescu
there
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't
think so; it's from being a chump maybe?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the definition of
the
term "chump" is "he who will not eat nagant under any circumstances"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:28 Framedragger:
there was a post about statistical/ML approach vs. (one of) rule-based approach(es) just recently, i haven't read it yet,
http://norvig.com/chomsky.html (inb4 ad hominem alf's norvig iz usg pawn :P )
mircea_popescu: during
those 50 years
they raise a woman's children by another man.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 15:10 asciilifeform: diana_coman:
this is what i was
trying
to get across with
the 'bad flying only kills a busful, bad program - potentially everyone' example
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 15:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, he'd be one of
the 9,999 failed everettescus
diana_coman: well, maybe understand its outputs, but not
the actual code surely, what heresy is
this
diana_coman: but why is anyone
trying
to understand it!
they should just bang it into shape , not understand it ffs!!!
mircea_popescu: it is easier
to understand, which seems a major factor in code survival.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman bad code has much more staying power
than good code.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you missed a spot,
there's still some php garbage! i just run into some like yest
diana_coman: ahahah,
the advantage of mircea_popescu's favourite approach:
there will always be
tons of garbage
to clean off since a cake eaten is at least eaten, but crappy code is rarely
totally obliterated
mircea_popescu: i suppose i might be
the only intelligent male
that never felt an inclination
to off himself ? why's
this so strange!
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 01:23 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480685 << no,
this is
the problem. a bunch of idiots would have
to earn bread different way ; and ben_vulpes would be allowed
to do something less idiotic with his
time.
that's
the problem whenever derps get
the reins -
they drive
the ship ashore and someone's stuck fishing it back out.
mircea_popescu: this is somewhat offset by
the grim reality
that all people can possibly ever do is waste.
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, is in my professional judgement
THE value proposition of free/open source. FORGET
THE EATER!)
mircea_popescu: you're not
taking some of
the salt out of
the soup, some of
the heat out of
the steak or anything from anything else.
mircea_popescu: also, no cooking mistake is EVER reversible. cooking is
the paragon of irreversible process with a
thermodynamics-supplied seal of certitude.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? if it fails
to learn i just buy another computer.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:51 mircea_popescu: yes, it's broken, NOTICE it's broken, eat
the scrambled egg,
try again.
mircea_popescu: hey, put koi
to whatever equivalency in
there while at it phf
diana_coman: yes, women care more because
they bare
the costs mainly and mostly
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not going
to solve it for general case :>
mircea_popescu: diana_coman certainly not a cake. but it also has
this passive "don't
touch
the instruments" educative value. womenz particularly vulnerable
to
this crap.
mircea_popescu: dude i have nfi, you keep saying
this,
then phfg comes on it
turns out we do,
then you say it again
diana_coman: that was not about helplessness
though, but about
the fact
that a cake which is a cake only when you look at it from a certain angle, in a certain light, is NOT A CAKE
phf: asciilifeform: i'll fix it next. since it's all write from scratch i just need
to figure out how
to case insensitive boyer moore
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ACK, and
that is cool. i do understand re. master actually working *against* learned helplessness models, at least an *actual* master anyway hm
mircea_popescu: yes, it's broken, NOTICE it's broken, eat
the scrambled egg,
try again.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but
to
the more general point, Framedragger :
the master's job is mostly
to encourage and support
the young woman
TO ACTUALLY MAKE CHOICES. which is
to say, exactly
to distance herself from learned helplessness of
the nature of diana_coman 's above mentioned " don't change anything or it might all fall down"
Framedragger: asciilifeform: it
throws 1 result which is when you searched for it, now..
Framedragger: i mean you do sometimes want case sensitivity yknow; i guess question's regarding
the default
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no "peculiar" external info. obviously we're not dealing in spherical chickens here, so..
the sun lights all heads.
mircea_popescu: well... at least at first.
that doesn't go so well so
throws fit internally.
Framedragger: so you're saying
that
this was purely incentive based
thing, no external environment info
mircea_popescu: once you can make 'em it's darn obvious, and before it's impossibru and "vague" and
throws fit
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no dude, correctly made pastry is
this self-obvious
thing.