asciilifeform: if it existed, why would they stop at faking 50T

asciilifeform: (if there isn't a whole directorate at nsa concerning solely this, they are truly for the dogs)

asciilifeform: (lets you simulate titanic hashrate with barely any effort, if you know the boojum)

asciilifeform: the ONE thing they're good for.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very easy to change if they bought up all the old fpga farms.

asciilifeform predicted that a use would be found for them.

asciilifeform: hey hey ho ho THAT's where the fpga farms went.

asciilifeform: if it doesn't, where did they get 50TH of it...

asciilifeform probably condemned to actually read about the thing isnthe.

asciilifeform: i thought eth used btc workfunction

asciilifeform: (esp if you pwn a few boxes connected to existing asic...)

asciilifeform: nope, every month they sell new variant.

asciilifeform: just that i never turned up (despite considerable effort) a single example.

asciilifeform: i'm not certain that qty of boxes has ever been ~sold~

asciilifeform: now calculate how many, say, 4GH winblowz chumps add up to 50TH.

asciilifeform spent years trawling through malware samples collected at tremendous expense, in search of ONE

asciilifeform: but at 2015 prices it would cost roughly what a toyota costs.

asciilifeform tried to calculate approx cost of nuking eth via 51%, but realized that no one has any public idea re what miner costs presently

asciilifeform: (e.g., say mircea_popescu issues a tx with a fee consisting of ~whole thing!!)

asciilifeform: of course this only works if the 51 is made from solid shitanium, rather than fragmentable (with incentives to defect) cartel

asciilifeform: aha, race is to the swift, yeah.

asciilifeform: i suppose this depends on 'how soft' is the soft fork (are miners merely rejecting 'tainted' tx, or also deliberately orphaning any block which contains one ?)

asciilifeform: (which theoretically could be done for a few btc if you were willing to wait a year)

asciilifeform: what i asked after was the rough equivalent of mining a high-S btc tx.

asciilifeform: unless there is something radically different re ethercrud vs btc, 51% only gives you doublespend

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i didn't say 'cost to 51%'. but to get arbitrary valid tx mined in the face of 'soft fork'

asciilifeform: (perfectly possible to dev on one while deploying on other!)

asciilifeform: for what do we even need the interp?

asciilifeform: (i have nfi - was there money involved ?)

asciilifeform: kinda how i boot up that cute x86 systemv and then notice that it is PALPABLY slow on modern pentium because it lacks ANY disk cache etc. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: cmucl feels 'clean' but is missing what i consider to be essential functionality (native threads, mainly)

asciilifeform: sorta like comparing modern bsds to systemv

asciilifeform: it is the mature end

asciilifeform: that's the point here

asciilifeform: systems which are 'cute when they're baby' but loathesome when mature

asciilifeform: naggum had a great piece on these:

asciilifeform: great for bedtime reading, but not so hot to run

asciilifeform: i see cmucl as sorta like that system-v unix revival

asciilifeform: cl-http is the mega-classic (by the nsa bloke who bought symbolics !! iirc) but it had a very strange license which prohibited just about any practical use, and so did not catch on

asciilifeform: mats: this is probably in the logs, but the log is down

asciilifeform: the peter todd turd is a true classic of its genre: 'we gotta commit an atrocity. but we first will get CONSENSOOOS!!1111 so then it won't be an atrocity, fuckyou. and btw we control the vertical and the horizontal and all the votez, so fuckyou.x2' ☟︎

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what would it cost to have the magic eth tx mined ?

asciilifeform: kes the co-operation of two or three people to achieve the majority of hashing power necessary to freeze funds' << lel

asciilifeform: 'I’ve heard reports that the first part of Vitalik’s fork proposal has already happened: miners have frozen the funds taken from the DAO with a soft-fork, which means that miners are blacklisting any transaction that moves those funds, as well as refusing to mine on top of blocks containing transactions moving those funds. That’s not very hard to do as - like Bitcoin - Ethereum mining is sufficiently centralized that it only ta

asciilifeform: (the dope is for when you need minister of finance whateverthefuck to start spewing rubbish on camera, or jump from his window with only mild assistance, etc) ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: the latter worked, since at least hammurabi.