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mircea_popescu: the problem may also start where keyboards have
to have shit printed on
them
through a legacy process.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 20:04 asciilifeform: just 'is
this point black,' eats x, y.
trinque: neat, sounds similar approach
to a shader
mircea_popescu: the knowledge
that your work shall be forever useful is not even in
the same ballpark with
the knowledge you can now buy six more lattes.
mircea_popescu: fact is, when as much as a vague hint of
the flavour of
the possibility of a stable base is presented, people go nuts working hands
to bone
to build it up
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 19:29 phf: folks avoiding
the serious problems because
they are fat fucks with feelings, not because
they correctly intuit :p
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 19:44 phf:
the fact
that you run shell scripts on your data basically disqualifies you from participating in management. you're supposed
to leverage,
that shell script is $500k initial investment ruby on rails project
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 19:23 phf:
then you make sure
that default fonts and geometries make sense
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 15:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform empty and full of rubble does wonders
to keep hopes down (and hope, expectation of future,
TRULY is
the mind eater for usians. be hopeless, you win.) and officious intermeddlers at a distance sufficient
to breed actual people with some frequency.
phf: show me
these serious folks
phf: folks avoiding
the serious problems because
they are fat fucks with feelings, not because
they correctly intuit :p
☟︎ phf: search and sort and
the rest
take :key
phf: like i'm not convinced
that cyrillic, greek etc. should be implemented on cl's character level, as opposed
to something like ccl's concept of Rune
phf: yeah, it's a hard problem unrelated
to clim
phf: not saying it's your responsibility, mcclim needs
to solve
that problem internally
phf: have 3 different fontsets, no way is
ttf a solution
phf: then you make sure
that default fonts and geometries make sense
☟︎ phf: i
think
that clim would benefit from removing all decorations and rolling it back
to genera style
thin and
thick lines
to at
the very least get
the baseline speed in place
gabriel_laddel: ftr, if you have funtoo / gentoo questions, angry_vincent on #funtoo is quite well versed in
the idioms.
phf: even gkt/qt
that came pretty close look like uncanny valley on mac
phf: there's literally not a single system
that solved
this problem satisfyingly
phf: that sounds like
TK problem. like out of
the box
tk is dog ugly and unpleasant
to use, but you can get a designer (an actual one, not like "designer") play with geometries, color and fonts
to make it look quite good. i
think athena would've benefited from somebody who's not an autist looking at it
phf: i'm pretty sure athena in mcclim is not even real athena, but rather a simulation, because
that was gui state of
the art when mcclim started
phf: so i was curious if
that allegro
thing might be better in
that respect, but i suspect it's one of
those 20% rewrite, 80% patching projects
phf: i
think nobody's ever
tried making mcclim performant, and on
top of
that all
this work was put into dodgy projects (like
ttf and general prettification, not
to mention
that beach spent long
time
trying
to make it render
to html (!!!))
a111: Logged on 2015-12-01 19:10 ascii_field: but it is conceivable
that xanalys was
tired of paying for dev runtimes, which were expensive
phf: and clozure for
their experimental product, which i'm not sure if
that ended up getting delivered.
that was like a separate
ticketing system for some canadian airline
phf: ita used sbcl for
their main product
phf: yeah, i'm surprised
they weren't involved in, say, ITA
gabriel_laddel: I met
the franz doods irl once. Cannot understand *why*
they do what
they do at all.
phf: they probably do x11
through ffi and other such
things
phf: i'm pretty sure
that's
the one with genera heritage, so as close
to
the mothership
mircea_popescu: altogether
the attempt
to make a "web browser" work seems educational (read : selffuckstick)
than anything. we don't even want
tcp
to survive, let alone html, css or js.
phf: gabriel_laddel: also have you looked at CLIM source code
that i
think allegro people have released
gabriel_laddel: phf: I did - it requires more work
than it is worth atm
phf: gabriel_laddel: have you looked at closure (the web browser), have you
tried bringing it up
to date, etc?
gabriel_laddel: gentoo with CLIM as
the default graphics library, conkeror (emacs style browser) and a bunch of math goodies more or less
gabriel_laddel: the light being
that
the buildroot people already handled
this for me?