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mircea_popescu: the fact
that
the purportedly observed behaviour, EVEN IF FAKED, still violates no physics laws is now out of
the bag.
mircea_popescu: has exactly no bearing on
the fact
that
the capacitive display actually works, conceptually.
mircea_popescu: the fact
that
the ipad as such doesn't exist and never worked
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, people still line up
to buy it, and go crazy about it, and on and on. EVEN
THOUGH nobody actually got
to
take one home,
mircea_popescu: now,
the
tor would be "ipad", except a peculiar sort
that does not in fact work.
mircea_popescu: let's
try a comparison,
to clear
this up. so : capacitive display, as seen in ipad, is inherently cool.
the capacitive display would be
the "can't phyisically identify box running server".
mircea_popescu: EVEN in
the "look but don't
touch" version displayed. ye ken ?
mircea_popescu: tor never worked, but
THE "we don't know which physical object maps
to
the logical object called <this server>" BIT did!
mircea_popescu: now,
time
to make a day of it, and
the bait a full wedding meal.
mircea_popescu: point remains :
the "we don't know which physical object maps
to
the logical object called <this server>" bit worked, even in
the "look but don't
touch" version displayed by
tor. in fact - it was
the bait in
that
trap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand
the problem with
the pretense : sword cuts both ways, before you know it, i'm using it
to cut
their heads.
mircea_popescu: contrary
to what democratic idiots like
to
think, and keep affirming,
the beoble has exactly no impact on history.
mircea_popescu: you can't convict without body BECAUSE
the "this hammer points at you, mr alf" is a sham ; and known as such, and for a long
time.
mircea_popescu: to an alarming degree, which passes for "normal" in
the mind of derps like rms, because it's common and he's confused, computing IS ALREADY
TIVOIZED
mircea_popescu: there's no "you need some derps across
town
to add your own 2+2" ; but instead "from
the fact
that you added 2+2 eve can't discern where
the fuck you did it"
mircea_popescu: it is in fact
the exact opposite
thereof. anthropology attests
to
this point.
mircea_popescu: that i have
the option
to fuck any woman in
town does in no conceivable way reduce
to me being married
to every woman
that ever lived.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> cpu is cheaper
to reproduce
than steel fork it is really only a photograph. <mircea_popescu> eh.
this is not a discussion of metaphysics.
mircea_popescu: which is why louis
tried
to convince
the idiots
they can only
TRULY eat at versailles.
thestringpuller: didn't realize daniel krawwisz was a brony...makes a lot of sense
tho
mircea_popescu: in any case,
the fork example is miserable. fork is commodity item and
thus cloudized already. if obama steals your fork you go
to chinese shitshop across street buy replacement.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider
the implications of what you are arguing. if your idea of "irreplaceable home box" stands,
this necessarily reduces
to fortresses, armies and dirigibles. a world which happens
to exclude a lot of people
☟︎ mircea_popescu: here, i don't know
this
to be
the case, moreover i suspect otherwise.
mircea_popescu: i am in general more
than happy
to go into "don't interrupt - mistake" mode, whenever i know
this
to be
the case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it remains possible, yes. review your objection re "spamming reddit", which is exactly
the same principle at work in a smaller snowglobe.
their swarm of pinoy breed
there, right ? pasture.
mircea_popescu: that's one level. and it informs
the practical definition of uci, an implementation
thereof, as you quote it.
mircea_popescu: from
these it necessarily follows
that
tmsr must make a correct commodization interface for computing resources.
mircea_popescu: practically, bitcoin has shown, and before
that
theoretical considerations have indicated and predicted, at various levels of abstraction,
that computing will commodify. moreover,
the adversary itself is creating an eth
to
this particular bitcoin -
they call it "the cloud".
mircea_popescu: so, strategically, we (as in, humans, people, we) are confronted with an adversary (ie, socialist state, usg, aliens,
the devil incarnate, pure evil, etc)
that predicates its relevancy upon
targeted computing denial (see
http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ ; and also
http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/ re
the ddos "we won't fix" and so on )
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yeah, you're mixing
teh levels. lemme rant for a while.
mircea_popescu: that's a different (and much lower) level of
the discussion. was
that your
target ?
mircea_popescu: there's no point in
the sense of "this is what we're
trying
to accomplish".
there's a few drivers ; and logically some likely outcomes. should i enumerate ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno how
to extract a sentence out of your last
two lines.
ben_vulpes: proggy with advanced c/c discovery routines etc vs. much simpler
thing one compiles and installs on boxes under ones physical control
ben_vulpes: and is
the harnessing chumpnet
thing still design vision and not people with real hardware
to lease?
mircea_popescu: (which is how
this works, when my disintersted luddite view humiliates him he lashes out)
phf: well,
the point of
the conversation seems
to be for asciilifeform
to make sure everyone knows
that
they are idiots :>
ben_vulpes: so
the security model is still completely up in
the air
then.
phf: your
thinking about 2) seems
to be sloppy, but 1) is a ~point~, so no further discussion is required
phf: is
the actual order of events
phf: why not eat broken glass 2) .... 1) dun
taste so good
phf: so i'm just
trying
to understand better
the original objections
phf: asciilifeform: you're more attached
to dismissing symmetric,
then i am
to preserving it