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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yeah, unless you're trying to bridge a specific and small gap, mine probably won't be of any use
jhvh1: asciilifeform: phf was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <phf> so if you have a system that you implemented fast, but it's slow, but you know how to now slowly make it fast, you have a strategy. if you're chasing corner cases, running a profiler and get mostly flat distribution, writing in special cases, etc. you don't have one
davout: ben_vulpes: yeh, not that the miner-snipping doesn't itch
trinque: it doesn't have miles of hair just in case you wanted help writing a loop, or ...
davout: ben_vulpes: but even if separate binary i see this more as a "reference wallet" in the same way the "reference miner" demonstrates what a miner does, but isn't actually used by anyone professionnally issuing transactions
ben_vulpes: i don't see the benefits to the increase of binary compilation targets to 3 from the one extant.
trinque: I don't think anyone brought his cock into the matter
davout: and i really don't understand how keeping stuff around is sane when the functionality is an operator knob-turn away anyway
trinque: this ends up meaning slashing probably everything that doesn't keep the current network protocol running
davout: asciilifeform: well, maybe for forensic purpose you want to open up an accounts-enabled legacy wallet? i don't know, sounds equally likely as "want to check signature some derp made in weird ways during ancient times"
trinque: I don't think it's a sin for davout to go slashing and cauterizing in one direction, meanwhile reference client proceeds in another
davout: asciilifeform: archaeologists can build a verifymessage-capable trb, couldn't they?
trinque: I don't see that it'd be a terrible sin to have multiple branches descending from current trb
davout: asciilifeform: my emulated mp would answer that a dork that signed that way can't possibly sign something important
thestringpuller: davout: no. I'm just curious if there is a way to scrape UTXO's now, cause for my wallet tron I'm scraping blocks themselves. Def not O(n). (don't laugh)
asciilifeform: davout: it would. but we haven't one yet.
davout: asciilifeform: yeah well, if we're going to debate what "we don't have yet" we're not going to get very far
davout: asciilifeform: tbh i haven't measured it, but scanning 2gb of ram shouldn't really take that long
thestringpuller: davout: wallet has keys, asks for unspent outputs to bitcoin << don't you have to be "watching" an address while indexing to get this info?
trinque: I can't find davout saying he refused to provide such a thing in his patch
davout: asciilifeform: i don't think you understand what i'm after, what i'm trying to get to is "sane and explicit knobs" instead of "here use this $magicfee"
davout: asciilifeform: i never said this wasn't on the table
asciilifeform: davout: we don't even have a suitable bignumatron yet
snowbound33: no, sorry, I didn't write that article about the book. That was a guest post
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a whole pile of stuff. but no, i didn't think you wrote the book you reviewed.
snowbound33: I didn't write days of rage you know
asciilifeform: now in some cheap gear there IS light leakage at the connector. but nothing black varnish wouldn't solve.
ben_vulpes: galois corp doesn't have enough butts on staff to have a good chunk of anything outsourced to it
mircea_popescu: "yes. but didn't."
mircea_popescu: the burning of ub is significant culturally. they won't rebuild it because TO THEM those aren't just some shitty yurts.
mircea_popescu: people aren't actually your model of people.
mircea_popescu: civilisation isn't when the blind can drive and the deaf can hear.
mircea_popescu: that part won't last.
ben_vulpes: don't bury a container of xyz much less tell anyone about it. be indispensable to the people who feed you.
ben_vulpes: so don't. fix their cars instead.
mircea_popescu: not at all. look at the incentive structure. for one thing, they knew the ride isn't going forever so it's planned. for the other, a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607386 is long overdue by now ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wasn't re embargo, but re ease of subjugating ~any part of usa simply by cutting off shipments of imported cheapolade to it.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes china isn't going to fight embargo.
mircea_popescu: if the negotiations can't proceed, the thing fell apart.
mircea_popescu: there isn't going to be a "us mil" if things fall apart. there wasn't a soviet one either.
trinque: asciilifeform: I would say my view of former USSR is as cartoonish as your present view of certain parts of north america you apparently haven't spent time in
mircea_popescu: this is what a nation is. laugh if you will, but it won't do anything.
trinque: I don't think most of the continent wants to shoost tejas
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, the idiot kids over at github aren't either civilisation or america
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 20:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't worry about it -- they had it two generations ago, and will get it again
trinque: I really don't give a fuck if the outer husk becomes a nation
mircea_popescu: they don't know it yet, but they're as dead as polish jews.
mircea_popescu: the louder if useless city kids don't have it, but what they have or don't have is irrelevant - anyone with a social media profile is dead as of last week
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't worry about it -- they had it two generations ago, and will get it again ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't want a strong currency while industrializing.
asciilifeform: mr.t -- not afaik.
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't be a civilisation comeback. on the contrary, it would be controlled civilisation demolishing. in preference of the inevitable alternative.
asciilifeform: it ain't, apparently, 'easy'. i know of 0 historical examples of 'civilization comeback'
ben_vulpes: er "why you don't like the epa gutting"
ben_vulpes: "oh i see why you don't like the epa, they fucked up the white pennsylvanian red state people you hate so much. so it's cool that penn no longer has potable water, because they're vile trumpers, right?"
trinque: I don't like the insane asylum in dc any more than anyone else
asciilifeform: killing derps doesn't get the ruined expensive gear back.
asciilifeform: trinque knows about reserves that the prospectors don't know about ? why he is not out drilling ?
mircea_popescu: the latter got beaten to shit ; and the former isn't worth the farts it's spoken with.
ben_vulpes: dunno about 'make', but some places cast al, fe, weld racks to rigs. saw it, drank with the people involved, don't know what you want.
ben_vulpes: "where will the money come from?" "just borrow more, couldn't be easier."
ben_vulpes: "but why don't we spend the wall money on fixing our infrastructure?" "were you even /listening/ during the campaign? it's not an exclusive thing, he's doing both."
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not even that gop split up under trump shock. much worse than that : the non-trump faction took a hard look around, discovered it doesn't exist.
asciilifeform: well... asciilifeform wasn't there, boxing nixon.
mircea_popescu: well we knew that didn't we.
asciilifeform: it's mr.t vs the ~whole machine.
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: except senate can't really do much.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from same circus, u.s. senate is proposing to ban mr.t from revering obummer's 'ru sanctions and They Stole Election' decrees ☟︎
mircea_popescu: speak, ye of little resources, thinking self programmers and thinking men, who couldn't even save a few lisp machines.
mircea_popescu: i have traditional ones, doesn't bother them any.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think it ever was 50% cpu no. but yes continuously.
asciilifeform: i won't dispute that these exist.
mircea_popescu: this isn't so much a problem, as hardware also has no future.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't negotiable.
mircea_popescu: not entirely impossible that an i-gcc emerges eventually in the manner of i-b ; but i wouldn't hold breath
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom.
mircea_popescu: the moment has not yet exactly come, but it isn't long in the future, where random noob's best bet isn't to join here and start yakking away, but instead join some lord's castle, prove himself there, gain an ally, and then, in due time, be introduced here by that lord. if need be and circumstances merit.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:00 mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood.
asciilifeform: it doesn't do anything through a terminal that 'eliza' could not do.
mircea_popescu: i could make ten of him and i wouldn't even need women to help me.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: whore, scammer, confused ditz, they may get in your way - but they aren't the enemy.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy isn't.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this doesn't mean we suddenly not know they're scammers.
mircea_popescu: i can. don't opt to, because i don't see the merits.
mircea_popescu: i didn't order a hit on his fucking house, mind. this isn't because i can't have random residence firebombed.
asciilifeform: i don't see this fog of war.
mircea_popescu: who next do i hang, whores ? for taking from fools money for that which they'd have free if they weren't fools ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some are ; some aren't.
mircea_popescu: so no, there's no sympathy for "victims". don't be a victim. if you are a victim, either fix yourself or kill yourself.
mircea_popescu: the pretense that "oh, i don't need the republic" or "oh, i use the tools at my leisure" or generally "oh, i'm an independent thinker in charge of my destiny" is what gets shot.
asciilifeform: if you don't pest-control, pests will control you.
mircea_popescu: i don't actually bother with the thief.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone cares about a kg of produce enough these days.
mircea_popescu: you may also file a complaint if the weighs don't match ; if they pile on the offender won't be able to hire a stall there. that's about it.
mircea_popescu: (i honestly have nfi and can't be arsed to find out)
mircea_popescu: original thread was vague and ramified. i don't see what more you need than alf-fucks-goats key ; and the bugaboo of "but mp, then everyone can make random keys i won't know about" seems more like a childhood nightmare than anything.
mircea_popescu: somehow that hair doesn't bother. but anyway. you find yourself with each foot in a different rowboat, because on one hand you don;t want everything to be high quality code ; and on the other you think shitty quality code normalizes it and begets more of the same.