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ascii_butugychag: ok i see what mircea_popescu meant
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: you know full well that this is false.
punkman: mircea_popescu: what is a shifted nonce?
ascii_butugychag: i'm not convinced that it is possible for mircea_popescu and the secret cabal of the smallint other mircea_popescus to actually get off the bitcoin bus without perma-crashing the universe
ascii_butugychag: i think i have a stronger chance of flying to mircea_popescu's house on a glider powered by my own farts, than for this to so much as budge the schelling point from bitcoin by so much as a nanometre.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: why not, while you're at it, premine 100% of the coins and just hand them to seoul.
punkman: mircea_popescu: orders of magnitude cheaper than recalculating nonce+digest
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: centralization
ascii_butugychag: i also vaguely recall ^this aspect being appealing to mircea_popescu ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i still don't grasp the 'technological reasons' from footnote v
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: you can apply ~any~ hash to endless pile
ascii_butugychag: briefly, unrelatedly, mircea_popescu 'the keccak function takes unlimited input' << what ?!
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - can, obviously, do what they like.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what new logging model
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: I didn't know it was expected to solve it, but ok, I see this patch is consuming too much time from everybody...
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what's your objection to throw runtime_error ?
PeterL: mircea_popescu watched a video?
Tasoshi: The propaganda video which is probably the only thing that convinced mr mircea_popescu
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 14:34:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392335 << poverty limit. ask the world bank :D
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what returns
Tasoshi: I mean, it is true isn't it mircea_popescu that you agreed with onchain scaling in 2013? But anyway looks like you guys are busy so I'll leave you to it.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i disagree that the mega-turd that touches 10,000 lines is justified.
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 13:23:16; polarbeard: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here is the logging patch split up in three: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/ccf92c5f83753a03370a, https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547 and https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/621f39b7cf21d736400e
punkman: mircea_popescu: re:sha3-digest, here's one idea, asic miners can get around recalculating the digest on every hash by changing the merkle-root/timestamp instead of the nonce
Tasoshi: So Satoshi's great test to determine whether bitcoin can operate through decentralised consensus is now on. mircea_popescu, I have been looking at some old posts and it seemed that in 2013 you agreed with Satoshi and his vision. What exactly did you learn in 2013 to turn yourself against Satoshi's vision itself?
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: mmm for me the ranges in that site don't work, which line is it?
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: totally understandable, I wanted to split that ones in two steps: first adding labels and then modifying the messages, but that would have ended in having 4k lines :)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Nice new trilema article.
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: you mean how those macro strings are actually used?
phf: mircea_popescu: just point whatever you have to that ip, and i'll fix the settings to get it working
phf: mircea_popescu: a domain name
phf: mircea_popescu: http://104.131.72.249/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages#selection-1149.0-1189.1
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it's the german "trained experts" so who knows
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno, they shot Lavoy Finicum pretty fast.
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: is there any reason against that one? I miss it too
polarbeard: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here is the logging patch split up in three: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/ccf92c5f83753a03370a, https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547 and https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/621f39b7cf21d736400e ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:48:49; mircea_popescu: i guess i fucked it up when putting it on trilema ? asciilifeform ^ mind saying what the above link does ?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:33:31; mircea_popescu: anyone thinking diapers are cheap is not-poor in the us
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:16:46; mircea_popescu: i originally thought so but research in here shows that no, it's never checked.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 21:48:22; mircea_popescu: hey alf, how about you move out of the us ? hm ? HM ?
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 13:21:58; mircea_popescu: it's a combination of multisecular trends. one is a hate of plastics, that has been brewing for at least five decades. the other is a hate of self, that;s been brewing since ww2, and that expresses itself variously, but for instance in current "carbon"-ecology.
copypaste: also, i liked your attempt at the merchant rewrite mircea_popescu :)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: know anything about deleuze and guatarri in the context of intertextuality?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu wut?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Better than hats, they do coins for 1, 3, 6, and then every year.
phf: mircea_popescu: what to do about a b->c->d e->f press to c. a b c? or b c?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: this introduces a conflict between "pressing a head presses all signed patches at same leaf-level that have been signed by wot"
mircea_popescu: <felipelalli> mircea_popescu, I know that you think expire a key is a bad idea. I saw you saying that in MPEx FAQ. But why? Could you elaborate more about that? Isn't that useful in case someone dies or lost the control over the key? << how is a bitfield in the gpg key help you in case you die ? or lose control of the key ? neither of these are time-able events.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, I know that you think expire a key is a bad idea. I saw you saying that in MPEx FAQ. But why? Could you elaborate more about that? Isn't that useful in case someone dies or lost the control over the key?
phf: mircea_popescu: it's broken across multiple dom elements
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: highlights "uppose if we were all mentally retarded a la United States / Some O"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: link me?
mod6: mircea_popescu: that part is just in reference to V's release in R.05, not the high/low S patch which is R.09
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you think i don't know this?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo is actually right, there's some history of derpage in all this. << username high-s malleator used on social media was 'amaclin'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> since they agreed to only include low-s for whatever random reason / concern trolling / misinformed desire to be nice and good, they're stuck now. << It's power derps malleating tx on the way to miners, including on that realy network.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: meaning that transactions can only be malleated from high->low order?
phf: mircea_popescu: http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud does selection work here for you?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:42:22; mircea_popescu: just, if you want to add a patch, should be able to dump it as dpaste also.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 17:53:34; phf: mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? << like http://104.131.72.249/patches/? (is in no way bulletproof, so i expect it to be down by the time i come back from breakfast)
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 15:52:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390875 << i'd be surprised if you actually can ever find this.
adlai: mircea_popescu: in these early days, when Bitcoin does not yet fully Exist, it seems as though everything is an option. the full shiva vision, as i understand it from recent logs, opens the door to doing exactly that, if some energetic idiot decides it's a good idea
asciilifeform: fortunately for mircea_popescu , now i go and pet pet and wander around.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 15:28:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because thiel got money and no self respect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm the 'whale' that moves the 10 tonnes, there.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 19:29:40; mircea_popescu: and i fear nobody does nor could anyone have such resources.
asciilifeform: aha. mircea_popescu has it.
asciilifeform: this automagically gives you 'mod6 & ben_vulpes release', or 'what mircea_popescu is willing to use', or ' asciilifeform's bleeding razor'
asciilifeform: i came back to console because i realized that mircea_popescu was making a VITAL point that is in danger of being glossed over
phf: mircea_popescu: is that a list of names that correspond to .wot? i.e. each patch has (asciilifeform, mod6, etc.) and then there's a set of all wots for current press?
punkman: mircea_popescu: phf yes, the list of all signatures seen to reach that leaf. << that would just return "asciilifeform" :P
phf: mircea_popescu: touched signatures?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: jurov is not to blame, the original design tip was actually mine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which 3
phf: mircea_popescu: nodes are clickable
phf: mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? << like http://104.131.72.249/patches/? (is in no way bulletproof, so i expect it to be down by the time i come back from breakfast) ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 16:29:32; mircea_popescu: it's fucking ridiculous. the current cost of 14.7kb is something like
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason none of the 'not terrible' folk express the thing in correct terms, which is that tx is a ~cost~ to other people who run nodes
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:27:50; mircea_popescu: and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can't be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:19; ben_vulpes: punkman: by my read 'rebase' as mircea_popescu uses it means 'dump into the v tree'
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:48:21; mircea_popescu: http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-99/ << this guy is fucking epic lol. "go is gone. Yudkowsky sounds the alarm." and links a fb posting.
ben_vulpes: punkman: by my read 'rebase' as mircea_popescu uses it means 'dump into the v tree' ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:25:55; mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 05:13:17; mircea_popescu: incidentally, this would be a pretty interesting sideline/possible job for someone dedicated. sell pre-made, fully liberated board+chip kits. for to go intos ervers etc.
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <nubbins`> <+mircea_popescu> in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano << they say castellano in peru too, but if i'm not mistaken this is not universal in south america?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 05:13:17; mircea_popescu: incidentally, this would be a pretty interesting sideline/possible job for someone dedicated. sell pre-made, fully liberated board+chip kits. for to go intos ervers etc.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 05:15:11; mircea_popescu: if it computes it belongs in a dc.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 05:12:41; mircea_popescu: that's a pretty sweet board.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> wait shouldn't shiva 2 be restated instead ? << this is probably a better. and its not even in the mirror at this point anyway.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Dual opteron could be useful in workstation.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: isn't tmsr also what most every organisation everywhere since ever aspired to be ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: humour me, show how to denote that man-month in usd.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or the 21.co PiTaTo
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style << actually, best estimate i can get puts TMSR GDP growth for 2015 somewhere around 450-500%. that's not 4.5-5%. it's not 45-50% either. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Note the categories it was filed under
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:39:47; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390320 <<< it's a lot easier to pretend cds are the golden standard of archival while sitting on a flac collection safely kept on a rpm hdd.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:25:55; mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own.
ascii_rear: mircea_popescu: most of what you see in shiva is old wurk