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deedbot: [Daniel P. Barron] Play To Lose - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/play-to-lose/
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/13P6
asciilifeform: we do not yet have a modern example of roman-style collapse to work with.
asciilifeform: beast was devoured by much larger, stronger beast, and not by some mythical 'victory of the beoble'
asciilifeform: soviet sphere quite certainly did not fall because su (or ro, or any) police ran out of cars to burn. but because gorbachev wanted his flat in manhattan. ☟︎
asciilifeform: lost - spain, their skins, etc. lost it all.
mircea_popescu: why should the republicans have lost ?
mircea_popescu: you don't think nsa lost, or usg lost, or any of the imperial heavenly legions ever lost.
mircea_popescu: who knows these things, and what's to lose.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "order" in physical reality.
asciilifeform: but i was speaking of the disorganization/aimlessness/anomie
asciilifeform: well from pov of apparat, the opposition is naturally 'dirty hooligan'
mircea_popescu: aparat-CHICK, funnily enough. may be the one time translation improves the text.
mircea_popescu: but, whatever the historical underlying, the point stands. your chocie is hooligan or aparatchick, pick.
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golaniad << Golaniad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w << Imnul golanilor | http://cuvintecelebre.ro/mai-bine-mort-decat-comunist/ << Mai bine mort, decât... Imnul Golanilor, citat de Cristian Pațurcă
mircea_popescu: this statement has nothing to do with reality and no power over it. all it does is, it identifies the speaker. identifies him as a roman.
asciilifeform: hooligans sum to 0, whether jacqueries in 1100 or window-busting 'antifa' reds now.
mircea_popescu: not the form, you sickly infected soul you. NOT THE FORM.
trinque: so then.
asciilifeform: anthill can birth them faster than you can stomp.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no no. not "why would you expect them to be smart". "why would you expect smart people to do the dumb thing"
asciilifeform: wake me up when police run out of cars, to burn.
mircea_popescu: you're too civilised for your own good, here.
mircea_popescu: they, contrary to the "anti patriarchy" verbiage, are very deeply male. will attach responsibility (correctly) to the closest link, entire. rather than womanly go around looking for "implications"
mircea_popescu: why would you expect they'd do anything but burning police cars ?
asciilifeform: the sad part is that they're one-armed gladiators. e.g., burning police cars, rather than shooting politicians or latifundistas etc
mircea_popescu: socialism. it ruined the currency, now there's no way to avoid societal disorder. so yes, gladiators.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i readily agree with you and in effigy with "sensible people" of a generation that died with chet - that all this is barbaric nonsense, and wtf is wrong with people!
mircea_popescu: strictly boils down to "easy cunt"
asciilifeform: 'The ‘filthy anti-system’ extremists in the neighbourhood are defending their coop culture, free schools and kindergartens, their anti property speculation, shared living experiments, anti patriarchy, music, art, bar and cafe collectives, refugee welcome initiatives, anti war and climate saving politics and degrowth movements……. etc'
mircea_popescu: euro fishwrapping paper buys you soda ; candy wrappers buy you cunt. seems the other side's better backed actually.,
mircea_popescu: it's all ideological motivated, in the same way to the exact same end.
asciilifeform: problem is not thus solved.
asciilifeform: the money printin' folk can print a truckload, hire moar gladiator.
asciilifeform: so how to settle dispute? gladiators ?
mircea_popescu: their lot is abstract nonsense, let them pass judgement on the pressing matter of how many angles fit on a pinhead and such.
mircea_popescu: they do have a point, euros can stand as no basis for resource allocation ; and the euro legal system has absolutely no business intervening in this sort of dispute.
mircea_popescu: i can't even say i don't sympathise with the hipsters.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 20:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502997 << how much of this is genuine amish weird and how much of this is cheap sensationalism pulled out of the ass by soviet state in its fight to flatten any curl of independence in its perceived domains is probably never getting established.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: suddenly it makes sense. we have these here.
mircea_popescu: that's the protest.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 19:24 asciilifeform: jurov: i am failing to discern what the protest was against
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502999 << "this place should not be used by group X but by group Y according to the who-has-more-euros() function results" "fuck you, you just print the euros, they don't reflect any substantive relation". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: now stfu before i feel the need to also silence your dumb ass.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you can plead ignorance all you want. lalala check me out, i'm going to pretend like this doesn't exist and here's tardstalk, seriously. then if you get whacked for it play the victim ? get fucked already, this isn't how it's played.
Apocalyptic: I haven't been there in ages, most posts are pure non-sense to increase post counts for signature campaigns
mircea_popescu: well... because they did.
shinohai: Can't find anything there.
shinohai: tardstalk looks like Filipinos came in and took a giant sig-spam shit everywhere.
Apocalyptic: funny how this experience makes me persona non grata
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 19:22 asciilifeform: 'In a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502997 << how much of this is genuine amish weird and how much of this is cheap sensationalism pulled out of the ass by soviet state in its fight to flatten any curl of independence in its perceived domains is probably never getting established. ☝︎☟︎
Apocalyptic: but hey it was been educational, at least I know I won't ever be going there to get work done
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: hey, indeed I tremendously overestimated tardstalk
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of Apocalyptic from 2 to -1 << ex tmsr, currently tardstalk. apparently sense sometimes fails to take.
mircea_popescu: $rate Apocalyptic -1 ex tmsr, currently tardstalk. apparently sense sometimes fails to take.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 17:53 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: well ok I may have underestimated the time
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502931 << if in the future you manage to not overestimate tardstalk.org i'll be ever so grateful to you. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 17:52 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: 'Updated the price to 100 USD. It's really not a complicated task, everything is outlined in the paper. An average C++ programmer knowing operator overloading should be able to do it in 2-3 hours.' << ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502928 << the expression is "this is easy if you know what you're doing". rather typical for web "frelancing" crud. ☝︎
asciilifeform: in other nyooz from earlier rag, u.s. fbi gives up on finding the famous cooper: http://ktla.com/2016/07/12/d-b-cooper-45-years-after-infamous-skyjacking-fbi-closes-case-on-200000-unsolved-mystery
asciilifeform: jurov: i am failing to discern what the protest was against ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'In a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.' ☟︎
Apocalyptic: scrapped the headers/copyrights from the files, and ad "using namespace Apocalyptic;", r, rewriting half of the prototype functions with my nick
asciilifeform: big fat surprise - you pretend to pay, folks pretend to work.
Apocalyptic: for the lulz, the Angell guy that signed up sent me, I kid you not, a copy/pasted code of a public github repo which consisted of a SAT-solver that doesn't even build
jurov: it certainly has been done. and surely they converted the algorithm by hand, instead of crude C++ hacking.
Apocalyptic: as for try it yourself, I believe my time is better spent elsewhere
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: actually reading the satcoin link you provided I don't think it's a worthy endeavour to explore anymore
asciilifeform: but my advice, before you 'won't somebody do this for $100' to try it yourself
Apocalyptic: and i'm comparing to a single iteration of sha256()... so less moving parts
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: the figure is for sha256(sha256())
ben_vulpes: chuck tingle makes me want to write an erotica shannonizer
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeh I want to make it tidy enough to share
ben_vulpes: trinque: no rush, i've got other irons in the fire that still need pounding.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: higher number of variables and clauses ? how does that even make sense ?
trinque: so the chat page will involve perhaps 1 select, 1 insert
trinque: ben_vulpes: you'll be happy to know the thing both writes messages to a table and reads messages to send from an outbound table
Apocalyptic: jurov: afaik that part is explained in the paper too
Apocalyptic: from the satcoin pape: "The implementation of the above program generates a large CNF formula with about 250'000 variables and 850'000 clauses." I wonder how much lower these numbers would be for a single iteration of sha256
jurov: but that is easy. producing a code to correctly convert that to cnf is the problem
Apocalyptic: Saying they no longer have the code, as it's been 10 years
Apocalyptic: I should maybe mention that I actually mailed these scientists, and they replied!
jurov: did this jovanovic actually publish it?
Apocalyptic: if you have a prog to build the cnf for md5, you can build it for any similarly based hash function
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: the approach is hash-agnostic
asciilifeform: or is that the one you want cnf for
Apocalyptic: so I guess they had something running and didn't pull them out of their ass
Apocalyptic: see the paragraph I'm referring to, and they even posted benchmark results as graph for collision resistance and preimage problems
Apocalyptic: jurov: they managed to do it eventually
jurov: which is exactly the task what you want to be doen for $100, I understand?
jurov: to cite: "We tried several standard approaches for computing the cnf equivalent of the formula H, but all of them failed even for relatively small message lengths"
Apocalyptic: jurov: the one I linked in that post ? yes
jurov: Apocalyptic: have you actually read that pdf?
asciilifeform: it is the obvious application, along with pw cracking
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: I assure you I don't plan to apply this to bitcoin mining, even though It did cross my mind to just try how it would fare in comparison
Apocalyptic: jurov: well i'm all ears as to why it isn't
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: the idea's been kicking around for a long time.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-04#368163 << thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: i assume you read the original 'satcoin' paper ?