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mats: oh wait, these are fictional huh ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:24 phf: asciilifeform: it's a totally speculative exploration of north african pirate city states during the age of exploration http://hermetic.com/bey/pirate-utopias/ it might appeal to your romantic nature
mats: i'm reading through these now http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505996 ☝︎
mats: i v much enjoy reading about the 'golden age of piracy'
pete_dushenski: next thing you know an autonomous car will drive a trunkfull of c4 into the white house ☟︎
pete_dushenski: "I typically pay $5 to $10 to charge up. Every single station has been, for years, mediocre to terrible. The stations are often broken due to software or hardware problems, and remain out of service for weeks. Competition among electric car drivers for these public charging stations is fierce and intensifying. It’s practically impossible for me to find an open charging station during the day."
diana_coman: then again, how far does this clear thing go in the end
diana_coman: truth be told I did not realise it but it might be better to add to the notes probably, to make this clear
mircea_popescu: pity cosbuc didn't write travestys and librettos for burlesque/revue.
diana_coman: I read it that that was precisely the point, lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman lol what a mess. a) wasn't built by teutons ; b) cantemir the elder was king, not stephen omfg.
asciilifeform: lel and i bet when you stabbed her angry husband, the blade also fit perfectly in the hole it made
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno man, i one day visited prechristian syria, went to bed with woman, appendage fit perfectly.
asciilifeform: and needs a certain 'height of tower' which is unlikely to stick around for much longer imho.
asciilifeform: the 20th c. stability thing, with its attendant luxuries, e.g., industrial standards, is likely a historic fluke.
asciilifeform: but really it is quite a thing.
asciilifeform: this kind of thing is ~entirely unremarkable to any literate person.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/sobieski-si-romanii/#comment-118140 << check it out, teh beauty of pingbacks.
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : this is an interesting question, with a depressing answer - common lisp standard is nearing, arguably, it's 'lincoln war' moment, because the necessary general-purpose computer is growing thin on the ground.
mircea_popescu: imagine the sort of crack shot she is with a rifle.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:55 asciilifeform: mats: and the pigfuckers certainly don't want you and i turning the wifi chip into mesh network etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506013 << now this, for sure. it's actually identified as "strategic threat", imagine that. "people communicating outside of our stick fingers! TERRORISM!!!" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 20:57 asciilifeform: phf: re python: in my view, if you EVER end up breaking a language in such a way that 20 y.o. code cannot run, not only was your lang broken to begin with, but YOUR HEAD was.
diana_coman: heh, quite interesting the 2 decades thing in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506234 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:39 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505520 << actually this might not be so bad idea. i.e. "internodal transport nomad"
mircea_popescu: the only thing is you outgrowing the silly shell.
asciilifeform: well then the only 'thing' is empty space. everything else (even proton may decay...) dun last.
mircea_popescu: things that dun last WEREN'T THINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
asciilifeform: good things dun last.
asciilifeform: seconds, sure. decades ? i dunno that i personally have two decades left.
mircea_popescu: let's restate. "i would be very comfortable in a chair that was built just like this collapsing assemblage between seconds 1.3 and 1.45 of the fall".
asciilifeform: may as well ask why i would consider a boat that 'only' can last for two decades.
mircea_popescu: you do not see the problem with this ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, you're discussing a slice of time worth ~two decades ?
asciilifeform: ~0 indians in the geography in question after andrew jackson bugsprayed them.
mircea_popescu: looky : every time you find this imaginary space where thermodynamics doesn't apply, it's not that you've found a space where thermodynamics doesn't apply as much as you've deluded yourself in some manner to ignore some obvious wrinkle.
asciilifeform: we may be thinking of different periods.
asciilifeform: (which was no good for cotton or tobacco, and ergo uninteresting to the powerz)
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how many white women lived their days as the junior slave in indian fambly, after their husband was dispatched ?
mircea_popescu: you think every white man going there became the master of the what, indians ? negroes ?
asciilifeform: because nobody needed them, or the land they occupied, for anything whatsoever.
asciilifeform: poor whites lived ~wholly unmolested and untaxed by the rulers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not every tank contains pirannhas. consider the old american south
asciilifeform: needs to be difficult, rare, and healthily dangerous.
mircea_popescu: mass has ~nothing to do with it though. YOU are the target, personally. for as long as you're the sort that wants to be a king without a crown, there's going to be a preditor chasing you around.
mircea_popescu: if the sheep found a way to graze on rafts, the wolves would ride around in speedboats. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i can see, possibly, that if mass of office plankton were somehow place in boats, yes, there would be harvesting thereof.
mircea_popescu: dynamic equilibrium. wherever you take your bleeding husk, piranhas follow.
asciilifeform: but as 'fewer pirates than here on dry land'
mircea_popescu: in that context it's "logical".
mircea_popescu: they misperceived the sea, much like you do, much like people who don't sail generally, as a "empty" space.
asciilifeform: i did wonder, as a boy, reading about such, what did these folks have instead of brains, that their answer to 'pirates sink 20%' was 'put Moar Silver on MEGA-BOAT'
mircea_popescu: (obviously, king mircarlos the 5th would have simply ordered one man rowboats be made and sent every man in one to go to fucking galapagos and return. but then again...)
asciilifeform: sorta why the largest, juiciest, wrecks to salvage even today...
mircea_popescu: this is always what the idiot does in this situation.
mircea_popescu: symptomatically, the spanish solution was "make larger ship"
mircea_popescu: but for the spanish, atlantic was "fly over zone", and as you say, they'd have loved to "separate it".
mircea_popescu: spanish did not. portuguese did, and they built an empire out of it.
mircea_popescu: "british" doesn't exist here. albion was a failed state bought wholesale by the dutch who then used it as naval stage base.
asciilifeform: but yes, it is a result of 'we Just Want To move cargo'
asciilifeform: british, spanish, etc. 'thought about the sea' plenty
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental mechanism of putting the inept but uppity in place.
mircea_popescu: the other way to put it is that piracy is what happens when people who don't want to think about the sea decide to think themselves cooler than their neighbours who do like to think about the sea.
asciilifeform: per my (admittedly nonexpert) understanding, piracy is an artifact of abundant, unprotected merchant shipping, and tends to quickly get multiplied by 0 when it becomes a palpable problem
mircea_popescu: they weren't pirate states in the way florence or venice were.
pete_dushenski: speaking of somali pirates, the recent 'captain philips' film with tom hanks was the most pallid agitprop in that direction
mircea_popescu: to take the matter home, you could say nelson was a pirate rather than a lord ; or better yet that kelvin was a scientist rather than a lord. but these people principally did the thing in question ; whereas the african states principally did subsistence farming and small manufacture.
asciilifeform: even modern-day somali pirates have a story about how they are merely collecting back-rent for usurped fishing rights.
mircea_popescu: the original - perhaps. the one im discussing here, very much a normal pasha. who happened to have a port in his lands.
asciilifeform: says ~as much on his tomb
asciilifeform: but yes barbarossa was the ottoman naval penis
mircea_popescu: that is one point ; the point im making however is that they weren't pirates in the sense you're not a penis. part of what they did, of fucking course, given the geography. but they were otherwise just as much a normal country as say albania.
pete_dushenski: aha. barbs supplanted venetians (and i spanish) on the mediterranean... that's right.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg: who is 'pirate' and who is 'armed tax collector' is a pov question.
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being they were "pirates" in the sense erdogan is "embattled". a matter of the foreign press and no more.
mircea_popescu: well, lesbians, technically, but who's cuntin'.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this fellow is original'\s younger brother nd no, they were ottomans.
asciilifeform: not the least bit venetian iirc
mircea_popescu: spanish tried to attack him on land, etc a whole conundrum
pete_dushenski: barbarossa was ottoman's go-to guy on the seas ya ?
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asciilifeform: the one where 'why do you molest the seas ?'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:24 phf: asciilifeform: it's a totally speculative exploration of north african pirate city states during the age of exploration http://hermetic.com/bey/pirate-utopias/ it might appeal to your romantic nature
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505996 << for the record, these "pirate states" are much more proper states than hm, how shall we put this. anyone know the story of the barbarossa turkish fambly ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: accepta-l pe gusti in viata ta!
asciilifeform: i dun know of anybody camping out in orbit to save on rent either.
asciilifeform: probably because it is not achievable at present tech level.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have never heard of anyone practicing that solution nor would i think too much of their head tbh.
mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna rehash the logic behind http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/ but the discussion of the merits of that project should prolly be read by any would-be sovereigns of this particular bent.
asciilifeform: sorta like the answer to mice, rats, roaches, is to live where there is winter and turn off the heat on occasion.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:12 asciilifeform: there may be other solution.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505981 << but this thing where "build in environment with large cost" is not a solution, because the enemy incurs the cost only when visiting whereas you incur the cost permanently. so this is, strategically, a nonstarter, whether the medium is mars or ocean or w/e. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:11 asciilifeform: the problem i was futilely stabbing away at is 'how to be independent of homo homini lupus est'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505978 << well, technically the solution to your problem is "become a lich", and will be offered in eulora. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the sea ain't what it usead to be.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:08 phf: i'd live on a sub, if it had those 1970s stage set rooms with giant windows through which you can observe underwater marine life, but which you can also close if you're being attacked by the establishment
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505963 << you know 5 minutes of nature channel footage come distilled out of about two weeks of filming around. ☝︎
asciilifeform: well in the sub variant.
mircea_popescu: (yes, i'm pretty much convinced that IF you actually wanted to do what is here contemplated, a wooden structure is the best choice.)
asciilifeform: (it had terrible problems with condensation)