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asciilifeform: sorta what literacy means - to have the huffman table in your head.
mircea_popescu: much like kids or bureaucrats aren't to be allowed to decide how to measure their performance.
asciilifeform: i can say. and, if it isn't likely to be in the reader's huffman dictionary already - do say.
asciilifeform: which means, yes, integral signs, matrices, tensors, whatever notation i define ~for the occasion~ even.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fits-in-head means that i get to huffmanize TO THE MAX
mircea_popescu: 3 yos point "dat!!!" but 5yo is expected to be able to say "the item resting atop the history of fucking in the roman empire please, what is it?"
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what your parents did to you people, but this is unseemly. first fucking task of the urchin in an intellectual household is to learn how to put his shit in words.
asciilifeform: is it because this set of chars happened to exist on underwood typewriter ?
asciilifeform: i sorta wonder how mircea_popescu draws the line at 'this much notation is enough.' i.e., why he does not demand that phuctor stats be spelled out in whole words rather than using arabic digits.
mircea_popescu: you can see logs all you fucking want, they're all WORDS.
mircea_popescu: omfg what the fuck do you think "fits in head" means.
asciilifeform: do we have to do the mega-thread again?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you want to publish something you can't say in words you're part of the problem.
mircea_popescu: fuck that stupid ass google auto-search as you type idiocty
mircea_popescu: and ftr, auto-repl is for the dogs. i want proper repl : string evaluated when I say, either by clicking the preview button or typing enter or w/e.
asciilifeform: go and represent the duplicated-sshkeys thing in.. words.
asciilifeform: original thread which led us here concerned... charts
mircea_popescu: and i absolutely do not have alf's mental issue where i can't think of math in words.
mircea_popescu: i have no problem with typing ::sum:: either or w/e
mircea_popescu: i want to have alphabetic notation. such as : graph-this-so-and-so,1,1,4,this.csv
asciilifeform: 'gui' is not equivalent in meaning to 'microshit word'
mircea_popescu: i don't want any guy at all. even now i <em> by hand rather than clicking the fucking buttons
jurov: mircea_popescu: ever used proggy that was redrawing everything after every keystroke?
mircea_popescu: (author types shit in) -> (blog processes it into form) -> (server serves form)
asciilifeform: i thought the idea was 'sane gui'
mircea_popescu: the idea being that the server does not serve the result of the process directly.
asciilifeform: and the browser.
mircea_popescu: also, the idea isn't to "realtime" ; the idea is to take user input and spit out html i think
mircea_popescu: jurov multipass is no good for real time ?
asciilifeform: and so they were. but at the cost of having this other pile of shit.
asciilifeform: human typesetters ~had~ to be expelled from mathematics.
asciilifeform: was very much a crude and desperate hack. knuth suffered from idiot typesetters who 'what's one exponent more or less'
jurov: imo TeX is quite bad example for this, it's not designed for realtime rendering, depends on several passes for layout
mircea_popescu: i'd think the 2nd item is more relevant here/
asciilifeform: arms of the Macintosh II. With the toolbox under AUX, all the windowy programs on the MacII will have a clear, understable, and universal user interface. With other alternatives, we face the very real prospect of each window (program) having a different user interface. That, friends, will be the death of UNIX. '
asciilifeform: 'Fri, 5 Feb 88... The astonishing baroqueness of X is the greatest threat to the general sucess of UNIX to have come along since System V hit the streets. If you try to give an X system to a real human being, not a computer hacker masquerading as a normal person, they will croak. If X doesn't instantly burn out their eyes and brain, causing them to throw their UNIX box out the nearest high window, it will drive them straight into the
asciilifeform: (likewise, '80s hardware was not quite up to the task of the rendering)
asciilifeform: but it suffered from the crippling limitations of the c-machine, and withered away.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 13:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why we want a proper tex/svg wwwthing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506906 << the funny thing is, this was made, in 1980s, at considerable expense, it was called 'NeWS' ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506907 << that's not a repl; that's crapola, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506177 ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why we want a proper tex/svg wwwthing. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 12:23 mircea_popescu: every computer (well, except for windows and apple i guess ? but they're not computers) has a repl built in as some sort of bash. in most cases you also have both perl and python out of the box. how could it possibly be faster to first upload a chunk of data to some webserver somewhere ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506889 << he wanted a repl that can shit graphics. which is something that to this very day is ~monopoly of a gargantuan closed commercial item, 'mathematica'. except that most 'i want a graphical repl' folks don't know this, and think that their imitations (which are roughly what glbse was to mpex) are the real thing. ☝︎
asciilifeform: (iirc he did, right before the jail)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 09:33 thestringpuller: charlie shrem is out of jail
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506875 << surprised he hasn't yet shown up here to offer cheeeeeap death ray! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 10:53 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505364 << okay; but deciding not to use $tool because it's used by $enemy bloody well sounds like one to me. sure, you can call this a set of (very) useful heuristics. but if this sophistry is accepted, then any ideology is a set of heuristics (usually but not always very bad ones, but the latter is a separate point). ftr though, i'm not saying that sometimes there aren't goo
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506885 << Framedragger point to actual instance of this ? in the logz ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: '“I vote Trump! free Internet”. Approximately 1.6 Gb's of data was exposed, with the report stating that 68.3% of users had their identities or other sensitive information exposed upon connection. Nearly 25% of the users browsed porn sites, while only a little over 5% used the connections to play Pokemon Go' << such brilliance!111
deedbot: [Trilema] To be happy. - http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-happy/
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15Gd
mircea_popescu: not to mention that you almost always also have, or can easily get a db, and after an import you can then sql repl.
mircea_popescu: every computer (well, except for windows and apple i guess ? but they're not computers) has a repl built in as some sort of bash. in most cases you also have both perl and python out of the box. how could it possibly be faster to first upload a chunk of data to some webserver somewhere ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i dun get it, do you have to first upload your data ?
Framedragger: hing like the devil avoids the cross; e.g. the recent chinese wifi shit discussion; *any mobile ever, in existence*; etc. :)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 12:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193 << there is no $ideology per se ; tmsr is principally characterized by lack of ideology. everyone else has one, however, and they're often patently insane and amazingly complex.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505364 << okay; but deciding not to use $tool because it's used by $enemy bloody well sounds like one to me. sure, you can call this a set of (very) useful heuristics. but if this sophistry is accepted, then any ideology is a set of heuristics (usually but not always very bad ones, but the latter is a separate point). ftr though, i'm not saying that sometimes there aren't good reasons for avoiding somet ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:36 pete_dushenski: has anyone here used cock.li ? please to share experience if so
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506544 << i've a $10 vps, no complaints, i did the initial ipv4 probing off of that. didn't run any i/o etc benchmarks tho. any particular questions (i can run some benchmark if you want) ☝︎☟︎
Framedragger: but i'm not trying to be a big advocate of $x here, mind
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506153 << what's the advantage i dun get it ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506547 << well, it's a cheap, dirty, and very quick way of getting repl with $whatever-data-of-interest, functions for graphical plotting, data analysis etc at your fingertips. it's very easy to experiment with data, *save everything and share stuff*. some papers are drafted this way afaik. for example: http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/urls/gist.github.com/wesm/4757075/raw/a72d3450ad4924d0e74fb57c9f62d1d895e ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 09:33 thestringpuller: charlie shrem is out of jail
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506875 <<< maybe he can show Roger Ver all the new tricks he learned in the Pen, give him first reacharound ☝︎
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The actual unemployment rate in the USA. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/20/the-actual-unemployment-rate-in-the-usa/
mircea_popescu: mats 40% tax on 10.5 dollars an hour 8 hours a day for a year's workdays
ben_vulpes waves to the forever-tarnished robert viragh
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 01:16 mats: and whined to me about having his good naem tarnished on hacka nyooz
ben_vulpes: i recall this, had my own near identical experience lol
asciilifeform: i tried, failed, had to ask for whole thing to be thermonuked and reformatted.
ben_vulpes: go, try to remove cpanel from a machine. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 00:16 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: cpanel is useful for lazy idjits like me to ban ips, make back-ups, check traffic figs, and so on and so forth. it might not be lynx-friendly but i'm also unpersuaded that it's 'evil that must burn tonight'.
asciilifeform: as with the earlier ninjaimbecile
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the choicest lulz were in pm
BingoBoingo: $s the_scourge
mats: what are these? 0.4 * 10.5 * 8 * 320
asciilifeform: perhaps half of that number ever had so much a ~thought~ of being employed.
mircea_popescu: the majority of the us population is not currently employed ; nor has any prospects of ever being employed.
mircea_popescu: you'll get a shocking 40%ish which happens to also be correct.
mircea_popescu: to obtain correct unemployment figure in these circumstances, do (count of all tax returns paying more than 0.4 * 10.5 * 8 * 320 in tax) / (us population as per census).
asciilifeform: because their count as 'retiree'
asciilifeform: for any length of time whatsoever.
asciilifeform: quite likely not 1 in 10 laid off folk, ever appear in the 'unemployed' column.
asciilifeform: mats: one obvious example - a great many folks never figure in the score at all, because they are 'contractor'
mircea_popescu: nowadays "unemployed" = "number of people who jump through X Y and Z hoops more recently than 2 weeks ago and for not a longer total interval than 11 weeks , and also who aren't in any of these 58 excluded categories. such as "white"."
mircea_popescu: i suppose look into how the data is defined and collected one day when run out of other online entertainment.
mats: beyond the confusion of unemployed and folks who've given up - can you elaborate?
asciilifeform: they have ~0 connection to reality.
mircea_popescu: but as it is, entirely meaningless to put those on same map, they're not in any sense the same thing
mircea_popescu: mats if that figure wasn't coming straight out of an ass, the table might be more interesting.
asciilifeform: for details see tlp.
asciilifeform: that involves, e.g., ~random fire from small-caliber pea shooters, rather than, say, blown bridges
asciilifeform: for playing out a script helpfully written for them by their masters.
mircea_popescu: not even clear wtf they're optimizing for.
asciilifeform: nobody optimized for bodies, or they would torch crowded clubs etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 00:47 mats: if it was easy, folks would go there instead of massacring cinemagoers
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506724 << this is kinda dubious. note that people light up gay bars and cineplexes rather than geriatric homes, etc. if they actually wanted maximal body count they'd do the local hospital, but they're not exactly being rational. ☝︎
asciilifeform: why send thief, when you have key logs, audio, whatever.
asciilifeform: they didn't need to.