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lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847663 << I just ran top for a bit. Looks like the most mysql ever takes is ~6.6% of memory. fwiw I'm just using httpd (not sure if this would be a factor in mysql memory usage, but only difference I can think of between our LAMPs) ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> I did hear a lot of dutch and german too,that is true; but all the dollar-prices and loads of English spoken and the baked in assumption - American, I don't know << Lots of Germans passed through the hostel (less than Latinos/Brasileros) they speak English because their hollywood ended in 1940s
diana_coman: come to think of it, maybe americans were simply so loud and rather obnoxious that they were more visible, huh; doing some counting here I remember there was even a rather large group of ...italians, lol
asciilifeform: i aint speaking of the mexicans, either
diana_coman: I did hear a lot of dutch and german too,that is true; but all the dollar-prices and loads of English spoken and the baked in assumption - American, I don't know
diana_coman: asciilifeform, their contact is "tourists are american and give us lots of money" from what I can tell
asciilifeform: i'd've naively imagined they have enuff contact with usg escapees, to know what it is
mircea_popescu: imagine the reasoning of little girl, "mommy, mommy, isn't my skirt much better now, i put some mud on it"
diana_coman: child had a small ball and apparently there was a rule that no balls allowed in park; so before we even got to the gate, one guard was trying to convince me to hide the ball in a jacket (I had no idea wtf for, it made sense only on hindsight); at the "control" I simply said that ball stays in backpack so it's not a problem and they ..were fine with that
diana_coman: o.O what, I broke the law by wearing leather shoes and sandals??
diana_coman: the "kind" people who "won't kill" I guess; I really don't have any other explanation for that shit
diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah, what can I say
asciilifeform: i thought they had switched to ersatz , with fall of rome ( vermillion ? )
asciilifeform: i recall
asciilifeform: i dun think the finished product had a smell
asciilifeform: porphyrogenita << i still find the 'snailcoin' interesting
mircea_popescu: ~same. what do i care.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell trinque Secular Texas related question I recieved for your laffs http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EnsvM/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i fear that may be just so much wishful thinking.
mircea_popescu: it never occured to me to inquire whether, or that i'd care if, 1998 girly wrote anything. who the fuck cares, "sense enough to not get run over" was plenty, then.
mircea_popescu: today i have to go through millions of "profiles", and the results are overall less satisfactory.
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, i could (and did) pick up women i'd share a bed with on the street, some short two decades ago. even less.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'millenials' are generally subhuman ; ( as per mircea_popescu's 'souls' portrait ); older folx, on other hand, have deep scars of 'who am i to think that i can own anything, the takers always find a way to take it'
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847674 << always was and still is fear. everyone i talk to, from parent to phlebotomist to self-imagined "people in crypto" says the same shit: they don't know how, and learning looks too vast, and nobody will issue them certificate of Everything's-Okay. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: hmm, i'm goping through creanga's cannonical and i don't see it ; but i quite literally recall this "take the left, lose your life ; take the right, lose your quest ; go straight ahead and lose both"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't recall any explicit fork in harap alb? or what, after he gets into the well, the "choice"?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847747 -> hm, I remember more the version with "if you take it, you'll be sorry, if you don't take it, you'll be sorry; so better take it" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i meant, "already have"
asciilifeform: i suppose missing is python, alligator.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think, for what do i need miami, i have all the mosquitoes here anyone could want
asciilifeform: re judges, i suspect moar alzheimer's flavour, but do not specifically know, i dun have any in my wot
mircea_popescu: i confess it's a strange way to go about things.
asciilifeform: i did see these. but barfed mightily when reaching out tentacle and thinking of trying, and then found that they cancel orders arbitrarily when price moves
asciilifeform: i believe.
asciilifeform: ( and, i suppose, miners, which struck me as immediately pyramidal, 'if this were +ev, the vendor would keep'em, not sell' )
asciilifeform: but in so far as i was able to see, in those days, the only physical product was smalltime dope peddlage
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
mircea_popescu: now imagine if, instead of that, i'd have had her write "hey, we're thinking of one day making #trilema" as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847437 0-cost-experiment logix. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: o look at that, "I helped run plenty of conferences. I do have an idea. The priority is to make sure you have a conference that runs well enough that people don't notice the problems, and that everyone who paid to attend it gets their money's worth. Who actually paid to make it happen is a bit lower on the priority."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also '0 work' in the newtonian sense.
asciilifeform: then again, who am i to laugh, i burned '13 on hand-built fpga miner. made grand total of 0.6 coin.
Mocky: I cpu mined bitcoin when it was under 10. I made hundreds of dollars
asciilifeform: even 'pay off house' is crumbs, for the sort of work these people (as i understand) were doing
mircea_popescu: i still recall with amusement rassah's story about how he bought a bunch of coins without bf's permission out of their retirement fund, at 8!! and sold it all! at 13!!! RICH NAO FOREVER, because will pay off car.
asciilifeform: ( i suspect they all ended up like esr, but naturally have no way to know )
asciilifeform: way i see it, there was this degenerative disease, 'i am rich nao!111, will go and buy cocaine yacht and opium-retire on it' , number of sufferers in log history
mircea_popescu: i don't expect he ever had megatonne tbh.
asciilifeform: there were a number of these, i think
asciilifeform: who , for instance , was smickles. ( i formed impression that he was an active fella, but do not know with what )
asciilifeform: lotsa good lulz from before asciilifeform tuned in. ( sometimes i go back an' read these, but most of it dun make sense except to expert archaeologist, which i am not )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, I'm looking at top
asciilifeform: ok there i see it.
trinque: I just said, layman.
trinque: ave1: I appreciate the testing, will put another version in your hands soon
ave1: Also the first time that I tried to rebuild a kernel, first try needed 15G of harddisk space and created a 3G kernel (now down to 500mb, which compresses to about 12 or so, but still)
ave1: trinque: this is what I get on that emerge: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MmnDr/?raw=true. P.S. l can wait for an updated version and try again, this is the first time since years that I tried gentoo again.
asciilifeform: i did not expect to ever again need a 32bit arm gcc, but there it is.
ave1: yes, support should be there (one of the most irratating problems I had was with the config.guess scripts not includig a particular system)
asciilifeform: ( where ideally i can put in any arch supported by gcc backend, and get a that-flavoured gnat out )
asciilifeform: i'd like to never again use theirs, tho, but only ave1's builders
ave1: asciilifeform: I did not build an arm32 version yet (but should be easier that aarch64), it does have something with different abi that have to be named. I will check this week
ave1: trinque: I get the error when this line is run: sudo chroot . emerge eudev lilo genkernel gentoo-sources app-crypt/gnupg parted sudo
trinque: ave1: however, when I grunt out this genesis vpatch, git dependency evaporates.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-03 22:37 trinque: ave1: couldn't reproduce your errors. all I had to do to re-run the cuntoo build was to fix the portage snapshot var.
ave1: trinque, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-03#1847167, yes turned out the git that cuntoo uses did not support https and my ufw settings did not allow an outgoing git port number. Now it fails it a bit further along with dependencies on gnupg-2.2, but I think this was a known breakage... ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847282 << somehow i missed this line on 1st pass through log. yes, that's exactly it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: oh, i wouldn't trust the locals to smith inside it.
mircea_popescu: i have a pile of old autos, they're a joy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i thought para-- was mule country
mircea_popescu: "i know... the way to win is to be as vulnerable as possible!"
asciilifeform: i could tell 9000 stories like this, they all end same
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i suspect one of the washing machines could do with fixing...
asciilifeform: ( as it is, i spent good % of weekend in crapple store, and other % -- fixing fucking washing machine with own hands )
asciilifeform: if i knew how to do errything without vlsi, that can be done with, i'd be having tea with mircea_popescu in the palace on neighbouring hill, perhaps.
asciilifeform: some things i presently know how to do without vlsi. one of them was trng, and did.
mircea_popescu: whether there is a hole there or isn't is an iffier problem. i am not overconcerned with it ; understand that wheever, in the großer generalstab or corporate boardroom, the story's always the same : "and we should send brigadier-general X to reduce the bulge" "it can't be fucking done, are you out of your mind ?!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sat down and worked through it on several occasions, most recently during gossipd thread; prior to that, when i was in slave galley and tore own hair out with juniperism; and prior...
mircea_popescu: well yes, but the question before you is, "have i actually sat down, thought this through, and it dun work" or is it a case of "my first impulse was so and so and now i'm stuck with it like any 9 yo" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is always possible that i am wrong about some ( who knows, all ) piece. sorta why it is good to have dozen d00dz, vs 1 or 2, with hands growing from correct place
mircea_popescu: you know, the 2nd thing i know from watching you is that this conversation suddenly spinning in circles pretty well predicts you knew you were wrong re other call.
asciilifeform: i daren't to presume to know whether biznis-requisite, that's a 100% mircea_popescu-grade puzzler.
asciilifeform: the box that entirely displaces the traditional ip routing system, and instead worx on signed packets, at GB/s, ~can~ , i suspect, be made with off-the-shelf iron. but it is a different pill, i cannot argue that it directly replaces juniperism.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:29 asciilifeform: now what i ~have~ wanted to bake, for years nao, is a box with ~2~ jacks, that tests rsa sigs on specially-defined packets at line speed, and drops all the ones that dun pass. this is imho the Right Thing, for entirely curing the disease in question.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
mircea_popescu: i suppose one possible conclusion would be that "yes, indeed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847453 ; but the time to do that was PRECISELY 15 years ago ; having smarter people doesn't compensate for being late, here as everywhere else". ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun disagree with mircea_popescu one bit, in re 'juniper/cisco Must Die'. but their death cannot be made from shoe string and bubble gum.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: if problem is defined in such a way that i can honestly say that i have from what to make it, and can be made to work to spec -- will make. otherwise not.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:48 mircea_popescu: however, before you make dies you gotta know what you put in ; and i know of no other way to find out.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847498 << iirc i answered this in the past, but this thread makes it even moar obvious what the pill is : make a hypertrophied ice40 (i.e. homogeneous lattice of gates.) with these, can bake alt-juniper, alt-pc, crypto, pretty much anyffing you like. ☝︎
asciilifeform: however i suspect that 'alt-juniper' would be small change, if we had fab friends, oughta go straight to general-purpose washington-free comp.
mircea_popescu: however, before you make dies you gotta know what you put in ; and i know of no other way to find out. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, part of the reason i've been working on getting some chinese ppls is that i entirely don';t believe single die fabbing is as expensive today as you think.
asciilifeform: well yes, i've wanted 1 for ages. but if you add up the cost of a dozen of these, you could instead get equiv fabbed into single die.
mircea_popescu: actually, i was thinking, the tiny ices you use could be an intermediate step -- think alf, instead of fabric-of-transistors, fabric-of-ice
asciilifeform: it is also pretty cramped sizewise (recall, i was not able to fit a single 4kbit adder into it)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:27 asciilifeform: trinque: 'competition' box routes 1G/s from 48 jacks, daisy-chains with 10GB/s snakes, compiles ip filter rules into 1mil+ gate fpga fabric. how do i bake a sucks-less without large fpga ? ( we dun have large fpga, tho we do have working tiny ones )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847373 << i got a bsd box right here btw ; cost me nothing, took in as junk. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: if i've learned anything about you over the years is that you're absolutely never right as to what anything costs.
asciilifeform: i suspect even reddit can use a clock, tell diff b/w 10G/s router and 1M/s