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asciilifeform: and a couplea times since.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they 'happened' to them during peter I
mircea_popescu: i suspect the russians happened ot the fins.
asciilifeform: whatever even happened to the finns...
mircea_popescu: obviously, deed-and-paste is much more reliable for a disrupted flow sort of situation. more generally : improvements can and do exist. it's just that they never come from the state.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/buenos-aires-that-southern-village/ << Trilema - Buenos Aires, that southern village.
mircea_popescu: ie, irc is what "social media" idly pretends to have been. notwithstanding that digg and myspace went away, as reddit and facebook will go away. irc has been here throughout, and will probably see the successor websites putting forth the same sort of plowing flies idle pretensions. for idiots to believe ; and everyone else to laugh.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who recalls the history of irc ; but for the sake of recording : it was originally a finnish bb extension ; it quickly spread throughout finland then to swedish network ; then various us universities applied to be accepted and were. then it was used to report on the gorbachev coup, through a "media blocade", after being similarly useful during the gulf war.
asciilifeform: i suppose now that these are stamped out by the thousand, they are ~unremarkable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the brits have ~nothing on usa: we have a whole supreme court judge here who is solidly suspected of illiteracy
asciilifeform: 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' is standard anglo approach, from boer war, to ww2 japan, to every poor motherfucker like the one in link ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the difference between qntra article detailing embarrassing illiteracy of uk supreme court and cancer cell the surgeon missed is just about nil.
mircea_popescu: not a hard task, either : its reach has to be negative.
mircea_popescu: hence the importance of denying the state reach.
asciilifeform: (it had no net access but they cut its phone, mail, visitors off.)
asciilifeform: waco set the gold standard.
mircea_popescu: ie, "order to stay away from the internet" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the statal response to this sort of "situation" is very much modelled on the bomb disarming philosophy : "oh, you want to blow ? fine, now you have to, while we try to manipulate the context so that you're not effective"
a111: Logged on 2015-10-10 17:48 mircea_popescu: "here's the laws and and if you don't like it, you can leave" "i'll go join the people that'll fuck you up" "o wait you can't leave" "does that mean you admit your laws are dumb ?" "nope" "does that make you a hypocritical idiot ? " "no it doesnt!!1"
asciilifeform: in moar interesting noose, https://theintercept.com/2016/08/12/canadian-man-killed-during-police-raid-had-built-online-life-around-supporting-isis << canadian fella, 'under government surveillance due to his social media postings and had received a judicial order in February banning him from use of the internet' shot by police after, supposedly, setting off inept bomb.
mircea_popescu: continuing the reporting of meatballs : http://66.media.tumblr.com/73b381e2224830142813a64385195d61/tumblr_mrdibgh98k1qea16ro1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: not really what i suggest to an us retiree no.
shinohai: Though I could just move to Colombia and start a harem, as you suggest
shinohai: Nah I live close to that shithole Atlanta.
mircea_popescu: for some reason i had thought you were in yurp.
shinohai: wow Tenn the guy lives mebbe 6 hours from me lol
mircea_popescu: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/student-takes-porn-star-cherry-7445540 << anyone know this dude ? should totally be in teh wot. ☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/il-magnifico-cornuto/ << Trilema - Il Magnifico Cornuto
asciilifeform: 'The judge said, based on the law, smuggling over 20 firearms should be given death sentence. However, the judge added that considering Liu’s young age at the time when the crime was committed, the court thus handed down a life sentence instead.'
asciilifeform: ^ reminiscent of usg trials for faux dope.
asciilifeform: 'The fate of Liu Dawei that would lead him to a life sentence conviction began on July, 2014. Then 18-year-old, gun enthusiast Liu placed an online order to purchase 24 replica firearms from a Taiwanese website ...'
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to be had, no.
asciilifeform: if there's nothing else, i've nothing.
mircea_popescu: lettuce talk of something else for i tire of the nonsense.
asciilifeform: (if he dun care whether anyone believes, naturally he dun have to show nuffin)
mircea_popescu: the only burden of proof is on ridiculous short man with napoleon delusions giving god ultimatums and then pretending the "burden of proof", as if such a thing could even exist in the nonsensical context, is on this or that.
asciilifeform: if he wants to be believed.
asciilifeform: who - as incidentally mircea_popescu did - shows the tx.
asciilifeform: but burden of proof is on fella who says 'i've been trying to get this tx mined since obama presidency and nobody includes it in block because they are joooz' is on the claimant.
mircea_popescu: go, take whatever voodoo water you will ; and don't ask me to sign off on it.
mircea_popescu: your discussion of p's from afore somehow morphed into "proof or gtfo" ? what nonsense is this.
mircea_popescu: oh, and this year is what, in the protocol ?
asciilifeform: if a year later nobody heard a tx, and nobody showed it to me, it dun exist. proof or gtfo.
mircea_popescu: if you think you "hear all transactions" you'll have a lot of weird to explain.
asciilifeform: the check is in the mailz!
asciilifeform: 'it's in the next block!'
mircea_popescu: unless you didn't hear the block.
mircea_popescu: if there existed good physical models for bitcoin we wouldn't have either the problems or the interest.
asciilifeform: and that the actuarial alarm bell is my 'drunk on springwater.'
asciilifeform: next mircea_popescu will tell me that P(aids|shoots heroin) is not > P(aids|clean), etc.
asciilifeform: i tell ya, whole classes of coin loss universe that are possible given 'coin moved' - can be immediately ruled out if coin has not moved.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/etude/ << Trilema - Etude
asciilifeform bbl, will go think.
asciilifeform: i tell ya, i dun see it.
asciilifeform: sorta like 'wife MAY have fucked stranger last night, when she was out, but not THIS night, she was tied up in basement'
mircea_popescu: may doesn't rescue you from the fact that you're purporting to compare the results of two functions that may never return at the same time.
mircea_popescu: "is this ball bluer than the number 5 ???"
asciilifeform: tell me how 'coin moved' is not equivalent to 'coin may have moved to addr that mover dun have the key to and aint ever giving it back'.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing here ; your presupositions can't be admitted. there's no way to do science o nthis.
mircea_popescu: there is no such proof to be had ; you are simply pretending to glue together things that don't exist in the same domain.
asciilifeform: (recall thread?)
asciilifeform: btw if mircea_popescu wants to do a shannon-style proof a la otp bits, i'm all ears.
mircea_popescu: hey, it's integral part of modern man's damnation that he flatters himself so.
mircea_popescu: it's a ridiculous stance, but whatever, people did PROVE that "she's a witch, but we did do the nose" etcetera.
mircea_popescu: no. "coin movement" carries no information ; anyone may pretend otherwise at their leisure.
asciilifeform: i get it, mircea_popescu has this 'if we pretend coin movement carries 0 bits of info to the enemy, mebbe it will become true' thing going.
mircea_popescu: o look, mussolini's a theologian now.
mircea_popescu: it's a "if god exists he has 10 minutes to strike me down" nonsense.
asciilifeform: you can take' it to the bank '.
asciilifeform: this is a usable hypothesis, and the smart money will use it, just as it uses 'if train engineer drinks, he is more likely to cause bloodbath than if does not drink'.
asciilifeform: there, testable.
mircea_popescu: burden of proof applies to meaningful statements. there's no burden of proof here, as this inference isn't even wrong.
mircea_popescu: at least we get to admire your intellectual flexibility!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 00:03 asciilifeform: if mr thief picks mircea_popescu 's pocket, goes to the races, wins, and put the money back, he is still a pickpocket
asciilifeform: i can already guess where this will go.
asciilifeform: and the starlight carries 0 info
asciilifeform: wanna demonstrate why i merely hallucinate that it works?
mircea_popescu: apparently voodoo is just hard to let go of.
asciilifeform: but compare this with EV of 'bitcoin invest' on shitfinexes.
asciilifeform: and yes, there IS chance that key was lost
asciilifeform: vs if it had not moved, i can see that it had not.
asciilifeform: fact is, it moved. MAYBE to other pocket of same guy, maybe not. but MOVED.
mircea_popescu: you may think you see whatever ; for all you know some guy "sees" the true meaning of pgp signatures.
asciilifeform: i am under no obligation to close my eyes.
mircea_popescu: that bit is there to the owner of the pocket. in thsi case, bitbet. not you.
asciilifeform: *but that bit is there
asciilifeform: like the hundie that turned, 'spontaneously', to 5 20s.
asciilifeform: to say 'aint no such thing as taint' is great that bit is there, like the light from a distant star, it carries info.
asciilifeform: re bbet example and the 5 20s.
asciilifeform: and cash being fungible, mircea_popescu won't blink when he notices that his pocket had a hundie five minutes ago but now has 5 20s, right ?
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu in the right to collect his balls
asciilifeform: if mr thief picks mircea_popescu 's pocket, goes to the races, wins, and put the money back, he is still a pickpocket ☟︎
mircea_popescu: unlike fiat, there specifically ISNT as much of this as anyone could ever need.
mircea_popescu: at some point you'll have to understand bitcoin scarcity.
asciilifeform: elsewise shitfinex's 'insurance' will have been 'legit' right up to its total disappearance from the record.
asciilifeform: going up the stack, i dun see successful gambler as == to 'was covered'
mircea_popescu: the rousseau nonsense is unrelated to our discussion so far.
asciilifeform: for all the substance in the 'social contract' lunacy, it may as well be bill from dead cromagnons etc.
asciilifeform: yes. i think i might still be paying that one.
mircea_popescu: if you don't catch fdmjkrlehkjer now, shall a dead genoan send you the bill ?