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asciilifeform: the 1st half of this , i get, is same as what i sketched. but for what is the outer buf ? seems like a single ring of same length as the 2, gives same effect ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 07:54:59 mircea_popescu: can't, in general speaking, when plumbing the synch-asynch divide (such as for instance tryuibng to resolve through design the impedance mismatch between non-threqaded process and synchonous messaging) commit to any activity of an open-ended length. main loop gotta know at least approximately how long each call will take, or else it can't make them
spyked: the downside is that now messages are going to arrive somewhat slower -- ISONs aren't sent too often, so as to not abuse that command; but probably not that much of a problem either way. if a user was offline for a while, then he can wait the extra minutes to receive the messages.
mircea_popescu: can't, in general speaking, when plumbing the synch-asynch divide (such as for instance tryuibng to resolve through design the impedance mismatch between non-threqaded process and synchonous messaging) commit to any activity of an open-ended length. main loop gotta know at least approximately how long each call will take, or else it can't make them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nao you know why i skipped the ' feed linux random ' stack entirely in '16. ( admittedly didn't get even half as far as bvt before barfed )
mircea_popescu: in any case it is obvious that using it as intended (ie, pretending fg is what the linuxtards call a "hardware random generator") is ~wasting it. i dun wanna initialize the middle 32 bytes out of anything.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 22:47:29 lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact the definition, jungle as above, camp as in, <1minute.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well, place with moar infrastructure so i can sit as mircea_popescu and not have http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926259 problem
asciilifeform: can't resist to ask, what counts as 'civilization'
BingoBoingo: And as far as I can tell, USG to USG drones is the only actual satellite internet
asciilifeform: why not also run fiber to the penguins in south p. i suspect they can just as easily pay.
asciilifeform: 'traceroute' is of pretty limited use for this sorta thing, it will only reveal hops which behave as traditional ip switch
asciilifeform: draw -- map. 'why is vienna <-> zurich , apparently as far as moon' etc
asciilifeform: lobbes: presently seems to me that 'distance' such as exists on net, corresponds moar closely to '# of hops through nsa cisco' rather than naive 'km of fiber'.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929847 << btw I checked this to be sure, and looks like EDIS moved my 'node' some time ago. No longer in Austria as I thought but instead in Switzerland. Plox to s/Austria/Switzerland on all past timing reports.
lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.
trinque: asciilifeform: not even just here; I wrote some production services elsewhere in sbcl, used cl+ssl as dep, same wedging
asciilifeform: trinque: as i currently understand, you prolly cannot use exactly same algo in deedbot as in snsabot -- deedbot occasionally has to speak asynchronously. you'll need locking queue (as i think you already have)
asciilifeform can read written pl approx as readily as engl, but to hear'em ~speak~ is other story entirely
asciilifeform: 'they're pretty much the only linguistic group very much in danger of mistaking industrial sounds for speech. Careful if you, for instance, use a can of compressed air to clean an old motherboard -- it's entirely possible the resulting vijiieli, indistinct as they may sound to your ear, nevertheless insult the Polish passerby's long dead relatives in the sauciest of manners.' << asciilifeform falls down.
mp_en_viaje: everyone takes too long to act ~retrispectively~. it's part of the same bonus package of fonts as "treason never prospers"
mp_en_viaje: as per the http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ dichotomy, one can acquire the useless female either by hunting stupidly or by wife spawning shit.
mp_en_viaje: no, afaik tha tguy was in same boat as pete_d, where the girl's daddy's the victim and the dude's just... you know, like those little male spiders ? dependopotamus accessories.
lobbes: then I need to sell that damn house. never doing the 'mortgage' thing again. the logs were right (as always)
lobbes: meanwhile, I've been looking at some dedicated server options, primarily for a second trb node on a proper ssd, but I will stand up a 'production' copy of asciilifeform's logotron as well
mp_en_viaje: on the first pass it appears as a complete disinterest in "feelings", but it fundamentally is a method for the valuation of human activity. and therefore complete ethics and a set of morals. co
mp_en_viaje: meaning that all prediction as to the future is to be based on METHODOLOGICAL considerations. how well the method was applied, and how uniformly, over how homogenous a sample with how good expected coverage. that's all.
mp_en_viaje: but the important point is, METHODOLOGY. science, not as "the profession" nor as "the professional activity", but as the occupation, science as in, productive, not science as in, socially acceptable -- IS A BEHAVIOUR. that's all it is, applying a method systematically.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from this pt i'ma follow the prescription mp gave during last 'wai slow' thrd -- leave it alone, there aint much to be done re to speed it up ( as imho conclusively showed that the pipe is to blame ). will move on to other matters ( import of historic logs ; fix of reported catastrophic bugs, incl. the resync of numeration mp asked for ; and then to get back to ffa ! )
asciilifeform: the 'db snapshot' link nao worx. this box will do duty as an (unauthoritative!) 'fast' mirror of db snapshot also, until someone comes up with better.
lobbes: Numbers for the 'heavy log' as follows: NC chair 0m1.055s ; Euro VPS 0m0.971s ; Piz Rkchp 0m1.435s
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929694 << this is worth expanding on. asciilifeform also gets very fast pings ( never moar than 200msec, to date ) and fast udp. what i suspect is, usg's snoop gear that sits as parasitic toad on south amer's pipe, specifically slows down tcp.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, diana_coman, et al ^ as time permits , plox to post load times of this ^ log.
asciilifeform: deliberately this setup uses nginx and same (as far as could replicate on the heathen box) stack of proggies as the orig.
BingoBoingo: diana_alt: I never managed to deploy anything that worked as needed on nginx. I managed things that almost work on lighttpd, but it simply lacks the good stuff apache offers for blogs.
diana_alt: ah, I *was* wondering re nginx as my only recollection of it was BingoBoingo trying it out and ending up with more trouble than it's worth
asciilifeform: the reason why i currently suspect nginx as the culprit, is that i observed very similar delay when loading static (e.g. FG photograph) files via same.
asciilifeform: neither phuctor nor logger is written in such a way as to force the choice of either nginx or apache as the front-side proxy, will eat either just the same. simply requires the appropriate config.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-01 03:43:31 mircea_popescu: fellow strikes me as intelligent in conversation, then i keep having somehow the exact sort of problems with him that i usually have with idiots : i have no fucking idea what's going on, and i have to twist arms to sorta find out, maybe.
mp_en_viaje: this is about as idiotic as saying "mother of gengis khan killed most of europe with one good hip thrust"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:07:42 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929437 << this is iffy. fuel-air bombs win over nato rounds (and most all other nato ornance), which is why russia picked htem as their doctrine, because they're less-worse in the context, not because they're unisersally good.
mp_en_viaje: then he uses https://neil.fraser.name/writing/patch/pattern-pp.png "patterns in pride and prejudice", because a) that ignominous dumb cunt is somehow to be referenced, in literature. AS FUCKING IF. and then, because code has the fuck anything to do with language, at all.
mp_en_viaje: cancer starts as a dream.
mp_en_viaje: if you review period fiction, it's present in a majority of items, too. just as vague, unanchored... making it all retrospectively so fucking obvious.
mp_en_viaje: heck, the 90s passed by undetected, i had nfi as late as 1999 besides a vague, unanchored and inexpressible feeling "something's wrong"
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929501 << i've been travelling so not playing ; danielpbarron left for greener pastures in the intellectual desert ; diana working more playing less these days, same for mocky i suspect ; hanbot and nicole travelling with me, it's just... large potion of the userbase simultaneously quit, from a naive pov. from the connected pov ~everyone will be back, especially as new server / client are avail.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 15:43:42 lobbes: I figure my own understanding could use some improvement as well
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929440 << no, actually, your state is bliss, finding yourself as you are a man whom nobody taught nonsense. that you don't have to first unlearn "my hoovercraft is fulla eels" is a grand boon.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929437 << this is iffy. fuel-air bombs win over nato rounds (and most all other nato ornance), which is why russia picked htem as their doctrine, because they're less-worse in the context, not because they're unisersally good.
lobbes: asciilifeform: has been pretty quiet as of late. not sure why tbh. danielpbarron, Birdman, et al have been quiet as well, tho, and they were frequent players
lobbes: In logotron testing news, (as probably expected) eat_dump.py still barfing on uniturd eating. Studying phf's algo to see if I can get it working
lobbes: micro-nit, but I noticed the example syntax for creating a database in logotron README.txt is noted as 'createdb', but in most of the documentation I've checked it is 'CREATE DATABASE' (https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/sql-createdatabase.html)
asciilifeform: lobbes: in traditional heathen patching, gnupatch will attempt to shoehorn a patch into place for so long as it does not entirely conflict with the existing text
lobbes: I figure my own understanding could use some improvement as well
asciilifeform: usg's war machine, such as it exists, is largely this box where general keys in coords and 'drop 20 tonnes this-here'
mp_en_viaje: the weevs of over there, as it were.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929384 << Note that global state of the art in this area has fallen from Warthog to Super Tucano. Much as the SR-71 and concorde are gone, the Warthog has been out of print for a while. Maybe the Chicoms make a flying tank at some point, but the art has fallen from flying tank to flying toyota Hilux
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pretty sure it was linked. and imho not entirely surprising -- these folx were still sitting in trees when europe was puzzling over jurisprudence . so naturally they will write 'buggy reimplementation of 80% of lis^H^H^H justinian et al' , just as they 'invent' caesar's cipher etc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: as far as i can tell, they ~tried~ to '51st state'. problem is that inca can't even fully digest 1 baltimore, merely 1 small (physically large, but not so habitated) town where folx willing to ~sometimes~ shoot, much less entire iraq.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as mp pointed out on numerous occasions, there is no substantive diff b/w argentina and usa, britain, etc. rest of reich.
asciilifeform: and consequently that pilot (dun matter what personal courage, physical strength, etc) for so long as stays in the profession, is at the mercy of process much like what mp described re comp operators
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 21:41:32 trinque: mnah, if I'm doing anything at all with "IRC" in the mix, I'm doing as little as possible
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929307 << that's a sound principle, but in practice it comes down to what he says : when stuck interfacing, use their interfacers. same logic powers "use fs to comm to apache" as powers "use znc between your proggy and freenode" etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 20:58:12 trinque: if we are content with that deedbot may come back under a different name (as if freenode is the canonical repository of anything) I'll remove the SSL cruft.
lobbes: i.e. I preserved 'as-is/was'
asciilifeform: trinque: 'as little as can' was my design principle, is how wrote ~400ln bot (and almost correctly -- did require phf's uniturd fix)
trinque: mnah, if I'm doing anything at all with "IRC" in the mix, I'm doing as little as possible
trinque: if we are content with that deedbot may come back under a different name (as if freenode is the canonical repository of anything) I'll remove the SSL cruft.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 13:09:14 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: here is a re-encrypted copy of the encrypted message you sent me earlier as evidence I have the private key: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Kkmtg/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ♞ << funnily enuff has ~ears~ on my terminals. as in no chess b00k afaik ever.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929178 << these btw are mutilated, as per mp's description, on erry terminal i have. evidently bakers of uniturd standard never bothered to open a maffs schoolbook...
asciilifeform: as i set it, lol
phf: asciilifeform: that is something else wrong with your code, i've tested with some local python and it works as expected
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 20:31:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:45 phf: mircea_popescu's xchat specifically still does that. so his latin-1 encodable text comes out as such, otherwise it gets promoted to utf-8
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:44 phf: but not necessarily your special encoding. so client will guess the encoding of the line you're sending, and if it can be encoded as latin-1 it'll send it as such, otherwise utf-8
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 08:00:13 mp_en_viaje: the only possible conclusion is that unicode support is actually broken on either the flask, the python outright, or some other library asciilifeform is using there. it's true that it was coincidentally discovered by cp1252 translation failure, but it is not limited to that. things missing from nsa log like the micron above are plain unicode and correctly quoted as such by my terminal.
a111: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:39 mircea_popescu: what can you do, alf just not as good at computing as phf :D
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 22:21:36 asciilifeform: btw just as i thought, lobbes's searchtron fails if fed the liquishit in question.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:27:38 asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit.
mp_en_viaje: for reference, i've also echoed the 48 lines through lynx-php-mysql ; they're visible php-yourbrowser at http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130940 ; it croaks (as expected) on the first codepoint with no associated glyph (ln20).
mp_en_viaje: note that both loggers miss some glyphs, rendering them as eg 01f737 in a box. this is different behaviour from simply dropping the line.
mp_en_viaje: the only possible conclusion is that unicode support is actually broken on either the flask, the python outright, or some other library asciilifeform is using there. it's true that it was coincidentally discovered by cp1252 translation failure, but it is not limited to that. things missing from nsa log like the micron above are plain unicode and correctly quoted as such by my terminal.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-16#1929044 to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-16#1929092 ie 48 lines vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929021 to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929066 aka 45 lines. the actual linecount as issued is 48. ☝︎☝︎
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 20:31:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 15:00:45 BingoBoingo: It amazes me how many "Anti-socialist" alt-alt rags are pointedly NOT highlighting Black American Patriot Maurice Hill as a warrior against the state
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928942 << yoi're pasting it AS UNICODE. gotta paste it AS windows child porn (CP1252).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:27:38 asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit.
asciilifeform: btw just as i thought, lobbes's searchtron fails if fed the liquishit in question.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit.
asciilifeform: before anyone suggests 'store'em in pg as bins, not text' -- nope, cuz you can't index for text search on bins
asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )
BingoBoingo: It amazes me how many "Anti-socialist" alt-alt rags are pointedly NOT highlighting Black American Patriot Maurice Hill as a warrior against the state
mp_en_viaje: billymg, works. amusingly enough, as far as i currently know that list is ~completr~. can use it to cut against!
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928713 << gave it a quick read, this should be enough for me to continue with writing the tests. i might have questions later as i make progress, will leave comments on the post if so
asciilifeform: as in 'unflatt. truth', aha
mp_en_viaje: that;s the other thign re tumblr : it likely costs 1-2mn/month to run as it is. could prolly be ran for 1-200k, but as you point out, not by esltards.
asciilifeform: and in so far as i know, reddit never made a lick of profit