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mircea_popescu: suppose you
tell whoever
to go
through
the motions himself.
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell bingoboingo "Following
the news of a serious RNG bug affecting all GPG versions a low energy shitgnome campaign of apologetics and "not
that bad" followed." << can i get a "The fact
that hundreds of GPG keys have been Phuctored in
the past year has, of course, nothing
to do with all
this." added ?
mircea_popescu: "On
Thursday following
their acquisition by Univision, Gawker media announced
that
their former flagship Gawker.com would be shuttered next week." << lol. "all
the 'jouralists' have been reclassified as actresses (which is what
they always hoped for anyway), playing ugly betty in
the 194 unilever sitcoms currently under production.
this
translates
to a 85% pay increase across
the board, and
their spoken lines will be drastica
shinohai: And
those are just
the reasons you'll hate him!
covertress: mircea_popescu, I bring fond greetings from a gun-toting,
tannerite-shooting, ivy league, master of dining ettiquette.
mod6: No apology required. Was just checking incase I missed something
there.
mod6: But yeah, will certainly be reviewing
those and regrinding
them as needed if
they pass
the vetting process and are added
to
the
tree.
mod6: I can certainly help with
that process if someone wants
to do
this on
their own.
phf: mod6: i don't
think you understood what we were saying, but certainly nobody's expecting you
to grind vpatches as a "service
to others", so please don't
mod6: because if so, I
think it's had enough
testing
to send along
to
the ML and website. get all
that updated so people can use
that.
mod6: danielpbarron: here's a qq, were you ever able
to successfully build bitcoind with
the build-bitcoind-V99994.sh ?
mod6: shinohai,
trinque, care
to help review
these before
the feeding?
mod6: I've got 14 new deeds
that I'm about ready
to sign and have
tested before feeding
them
to deedbot.
mod6: And
the problem is, if I regrind & sign
these patches now, it'd just have
to do it again after
these other
two
things are complete anyway.
mod6: Then all newer
things
that have been submitted can be examined/tested etc.
mod6: the goal is and remains
this: get
the
trb build infrastructure completed, once and for all. close out
this portion of development with
the completion of
that (Makefiles) and a subsequent
tying vpatch
to mark
the milestone.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: i certainly could do
that.
mod6: and i guess furthermore, if it's needed for me
to regrind
these four vpatches as a service for others...
danielpbarron: for example, barehanded gathering all day. have an elder set you up with some bits and
threads and check back in a week
danielpbarron: once it's set up, it can run automatically while you do other
things
mod6: anyway, im sure it would work fine. at
the same
time, not sure i'd want
to spend hours/days setting up a box for eulora.
danielpbarron: it's no so hard. I mean if I can do it
then
there must not be any excuses
mod6: i'd say
that gentoo would probably make a fine box for eulora.
danielpbarron: i can't imagine
there is a better environment
to build and run it in, granted getting a working gentoo might be
the hard part
mod6: well, mainly. i guess.
the emerge
thing still gets me from
time
to
time.
shinohai: I haven't
tried Eulora build on Gentoo yet, only got one box w/gentoo
☟︎ mod6: i just laughed because of
the previous
tribulations with gentoo. i'm fine with it now
that i'm over
that hump.
mod6: so if i see
the "dump priv key" patch out
there on btcbase or found somewhere else (it's not included in
the patches in
thebitcoin.foundation's site),
then i'd pull
that vpatch down, regrind it myself, and place it into patches where I can apply it myself as a "WILD" patch.
mod6: <+phf> asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want
to commit" or somesuch << i could regrind
them, yeah. ideally, each who want
to use
these unexamined items should do so on
their own accord, placing
them in
their patches directory as a "WILD" patch. Until
the day when
the foundation moves forward and folds
them in after examination and
testing.
☟︎ mod6: pposed
to replace it <+phf> instead. obviously
this doesn't make for pretty graphs, so i don't upload it << yup.
there's a planned vpatch for
this. bunch of discussions. just been focusing my attention on
trb build stuff lately.
mod6: <+phf>
there's periodically
things
that claim
to be vpatches, but
they don't have genesis. i
think a notable example of
that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and
then followed up by vpatches
that are supposed
to superseded each other rather
than form a chain. generally i've seen
that pattern a lot, people publish something,
than publish a second vpatch,
that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but su
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so if i want
to publish a vpatch
today, how do i go about it ? <+jurov> ofc you can send it
to mailing list. and
to phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno? << i always just send mine
to
the ml
phf: only
thing i can't figure out with asciilifeform's killfile is how
to get laptop
to do apm related stuff.
the main package depends on dbus
☟︎ shinohai: It works fine for me, just
the video issues I had, but others assure me
the chetty mod would fix.
mod6: and, yah, maybe it'd be something else other
than ubuntu, but *shrug*.
mod6: yeah, but bsd isnt going
to cut
the mustard for all
the
things eulora related.
mod6: maybe i should yield and
throw ubuntu on it and make
that
the new eulora box.
mod6: well, actually, i've got
this box just sitting here... its new.
mod6: <+diana_coman> hi mod6 how's
that eulora-box
thing going? :D << hi!! it's not going exactly yet. been kinda caught up. i need
to get a box for
that. will do, soonish.
diana_coman: hi mod6 how's
that eulora-box
thing going? :D
shinohai: Yeah kind of a local
thing. I have a really hard
time finding it in other places.
mod6: is
that a local wine deal?
shinohai: lol, we have storms in forecast so I look forward
to evening at home with good muscadine wine.
mod6: ah, good. been raining a
ton up here. good for
the veggies
though.
BingoBoingo: Maybe see if any lulz is happening in metals markets? Skip
the precious stuff
though because boring.
BingoBoingo: Everything
tends
to go
to shit and become news at once.
shinohai: This is
the slowest news month for Qntra since I started contributing.
shinohai: You can
trust my pruned blockchain, which has in no way whatsoever been altered, pinky swear!
mircea_popescu: that STILL doesn't mean bigtoe
typing is going
to be well regarded.
mircea_popescu: exactly nothing burns down if you do stupid shit
to early v projects, much like exactly nothing burns down if instead of using
the keyboard normally, you
try
typing with your big
toes.
mircea_popescu: there's "promise" in
the bitcoin protocol
that you'll
type digits where
the digits go.
mircea_popescu: yes, but at some point you will have, in all protocols
that actually exist, some level of promise.
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, i daresay i've seen
the sad fruits of "results-oriented programming" for lo
these many decades, and in honestly i could have done with a whole lot less of it.
mircea_popescu: anyway -
the more general point here, important and boldly underlined, is
that WE ARE NOT RESULTS DRIVEN.
the "results", factual or probable, certain or disputed, are no part of
the fucking decision process.
mircea_popescu: i get it, it's pretty fucking revolutionarily wild, and
taken seriously
teh mind needs some
time
to digest
the whole
thing. not a problem. but in
the meanwhile gotta keep
things clean so
the poor soul actually has a port
to come
to when he comes.
phf: so i
think mircea_popescu has alergy
to broken
thinking, which is
there plenty. retrofitting "equivalent solution" in
this case is going
to mask
the fact
that
the process was not v, but something else entirely made
to look like v post factum. you might as well export git history into v patches
phf: asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want
to commit" or somesuch
mircea_popescu: i'm sure he will ; but
the important point here is not
that as much as
the principle of
teh
thing.
mircea_popescu: mostly because
the recorded result is so far pretty fucking distant from itself.
mircea_popescu: tell you what : i remember
the process just fine ; has nothing
to do with "the recorded result".
mircea_popescu: and wtf with
the argumentum ad populum. i care "what people do" about as much as i care about "probable results"
phf: asciilifeform: but
there's also no existing vpatch sequence.
there's N vpatches,
that are all genesis children. you're supposed
to know
that N+1 supersedes N
mircea_popescu: the process will not have been equal ; and process interests me. you can go
take
the results behind a shed and shoot
them./
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun want
this sort of c-ism unix-ism microsoft-ism imported!
mircea_popescu: there's places for flexibility ; but
this isn't one. i dun even wanna
think about "creative" solutions such as "retrocreate a genesis". just god damned it already,
take
the code, sign it, and
then patch on
the basis of
that.