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mircea_popescu: for his a bingo good booingo!
mircea_popescu: is "gender is a social construct" supposed to excuse her lack of heels or something ?
nicknock_: well if you feel regret you can always dump a rape charge at the guy
cads: a man will rape a woman and then claim what happened could not have been rape. He's a feminist.
cads: "It wasn't rape. I'm a feminist"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm the sort of feminist that torns irigaray to shreds because she's too stupid to live and gives a bad name to the entire thing.
cads: hey I'm a shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomething!
cads: yeah it became a thing
B007: I got accused of being a feminist only once. By a girl.
cads: not a surprise for a slave master to be the feminist of an internet bunch :D
mircea_popescu: i just realised we could make a pretty decent -assets mockumentary
asciilifeform: it's a 'good bad film.' i recommend it.
mircea_popescu: feed a starving virgin!
mircea_popescu: buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.
mircea_popescu: you ssh ing into a film ?!
Namworld: That is a valid alternative.
cads: Suppose I have attempted to construct a system where my clients can pay well defined amounts of money to predictably add and remove beliefs from a group of people. It's worked - I've both started and ended revolutions, political movements, market crazes... in a number of countries.
mircea_popescu: that said, you can infinitely confuse yourself with "newer" and "never" repackagings of but wait look! i have built a perpetuum mobile, i have redressed socialism so now it works etc.
cads: haha, and I'm basically arguing that we can make human attention fungible and this is a horror scenario because that means the marketing firms win.
cads: I want to talk about the econmics of how artists earn their sentiment, and we seem to feel that artists deserve only shitty sentiment because they're shysters that troll for a handout.
cads: in the same sense that we must never expound the virtues of a song about selling crack
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the john is not a fool, he's buying something for his money.
Namworld: But "artist" encompass a lot of people and careers...
mircea_popescu: cads picture a chick showing up to the sky olympics with toothpics for sticks.
asciilifeform: reduces to a search for the right moneyed fool (e.g. reportedly, kabbalists do find employment in israel)
Namworld: What's the issue with someone making a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: (like, say, a kabbalist)
mircea_popescu: or a word mathematician ?
mircea_popescu: do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to make a living as an electric engineer specialised in pottery ?
cads: I think that's very cynical, and more of a moral issue.. do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to try to make a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: the ronin ":artist" is merely a rebellious peasant.
cads: I'm not going to argue what is art, I'm interested in how artists earn money, and I'm having a hard time believing that the amount of money that an artist earns does not _strongly_ correlate with the amount of attention that others give him.
cads: not a competition of provision of real valued, but a competition to earn human sentiment
mircea_popescu: i need a ;;trilema
gribble: What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/>; Art over time, a graph of progress. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/art-over-time-a-graph-of-progress/>; WhoMerLock :: A Trio of Trilemmas by GMYuna on deviantART: <http://gmyuna.deviantart.com/art/WhoMerLock-A-Trio-of-Trilemmas-424265034>
cads: art works like a popularity contest
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would time be a scarce resource anyway.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck sits in museums with a clicker doing cezanne vs caravaggio minutemanview competition ?
asciilifeform: cads: even a rookie spammer can easily arrange a million 'views' of whatever.
mircea_popescu: cads that is a slightly different discussion, and in no way related to "views".
mircea_popescu: a sorry.
asciilifeform: arguably a better deal than what today's hucksters are pushing, regardless
mircea_popescu: a view which is actulaly getting a slight resurgence these days.
mircea_popescu: and its forbidding a serious abuse of the state power against individual sovereignity
cads: so with multiple servers serving the same content it becomes a nontrivial task to syncronize the correct number, first
mircea_popescu: first and foremost we must agree these "views" are a thing.
mircea_popescu: all this aside : putting "views" next to a number does not transform the number into a measure
mircea_popescu: there's nothing particularly wrong with being a fraudster, i guess, until you end up believing your own crap.
mircea_popescu: cads i can make a webpage publishing arbitrary numbers.
cads: Okay, so lets start at the bottom. The claim there are no youtube views. Youtube clearly provides analytics on the number of visitors to a page. So are we saying these numbers are fabricated by youtube or third part 'view providers? Or that youtube views don't actually record how much attention someone payed to a video, whether they really watched it, etc.
asciilifeform: recently saw a winblows trojan turd which loaded some unknown porn vid
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a "view" and consequently nohing there to count.
cads: I'll leave it up to you to decide what type of logical fallacy you made by throwing Charlie Bit My Finger against the work of a singe avant garde fetish photographer. :D
asciilifeform: russian sf author / madman viktor pelevin had a piece where, in the Dark Future (tm) all other types of porn vanish, and only this remains ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i wonder if giving these chicks a book and asking them to read is a legit pick-up now.
cads: and in their essays it's clear they feel they are helping make sexuality a less dirty, less manipulated thing
asciilifeform: long gone are the days when a bottle of bees was the state of the art.
cads: one of the women is a museum curator
benkay: just about a third of the rentalstarter ipo.
mircea_popescu: but! that said orgasm distraction is certanly a fun game.
cads: mircea_popescu: the idea is that an unpaid woman sits at a table and opens up a famous literary work she chose, begins to read a key passage, starts having and orgasm, continues trying to read, climaxes, and then closes the book and says "I'm ____ and this has been moby dick"
cads: I'm questioning the feminist merit if only because I still enjoyed the work with a very male gaze :D
cads: "Hysterical Literature is a video art series by NYC-based photographer and filmmaker Clayton Cubitt. It explores feminism, mind/body dualism, distraction portraiture, and the contrast between culture and sexuality. (It's also just really fun to watch.) "
benkay: thanks for that cads. babe and i just watched stoya's. a+
cads: I know bitcoin's scheme allows us to derive a public key from the private one, and that this is actually not typical.
cads: and G is decryption with the corresponding private key (which is included on the chip). It's a bit of an inversion of control of the intention of public key systems but it works for our purpose.
cads: anyways - asciilifeform I understand that. Ie, say we have two functions F and G such that G(F(x)) = x and F(x) is in some sense independent of x. Then (F, G) is a basic kind of cryptosystem, where F is the encryption function and G is the decryption function. For us not to be able to derive F from G, G must be infeasible to invert. I believe F can be encryption with a public key (which in this case the designer will keep public),
asciilifeform: (somewhat less trivial if you want actual security, rather than a passing exam score, however)
mircea_popescu: sooo, anyone know a native chinese speaker ?
cads: I felt a bit too vouyeristic while watching to watch all of them, but it was enjoyable
cads: like, actual passages of cool literature like clockwork orange, sitting fully dressed at a table, while something undeniable is going on /under/ the table
asciilifeform: you have turds of a certain number-theoretical variety, that turn into plaintext when subjected to function F. F(turd) = plain. but you don't know F'(plain) = turd.
benkay: dang asciilifeform you're a taskmaster
asciilifeform: deduce a working 'joseki'-like cryptosystem.
asciilifeform: cads: idea probably was, you'd like to block-cipher the blob, but don't want to send a symmetric key (however contained) into the field.
cads: asciilifeform: in that case couldn't we say the same of hashing? Although I admit. Putting the decryptor somewhere in the main flow of the system has panache, and I wouldn't be surprised if a similar approach hashing is a lot less natural.
mircea_popescu: but if you "interwoven" on nyse the sec will put your head on a pike on columbus ave.
benkay: is there a ranking of purely crypto exchanges by vol?
mircea_popescu: stop losses are usually offered as a best-effort thing, not as a guarantee
Jere_Jones: stop a loss if the market is relatively shallow. Am I misunderstanding something?
Jere_Jones: How does an exchange that implements stop losses prevent a large order from crashing the market? If a large order comes in and wipes out the orderbook past serveral stop losses, those sells get executed after the large order right? They don't get interwoven with the large order? Interwoven seems harder to do and/or incorrect and/or unethical. That means that a stop loss can't actually
cads: ... assuming you have a scanning tunneling electron microscope lying around.
asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - existed and ☟︎
cads: there's a million ways to subvert either
cads: so joseki is a two part encryption decryption function E, D such that in some sense "the encryption algorithm is not the same as, and cannot be deduced from, the decryption algorithm."
asciilifeform: but if you want a better smell, you'll need a time machine.
benkay: once upon a time it smelled like blood and money.
asciilifeform: wiki used to have a page on 'joseki' (not to be confused with the Go players' term)
cads: right, I guess to jump from homomorphic encryption to obfuscated computation is a natural one.
mircea_popescu: i'd like a mpex like thatr.
asciilifeform: cads: look who is working on this, and why. or do i have to draw a picture.
asciilifeform: garden variety winblows box could busy a thousand auditors for a thousand years.
cads: hmm, the verified software I've read about uses security properties which are proven via a formal proof assistant in a standard logic.
cads: It does feel like you're concentrating the bugs into a very rare and amazingly lucrative bug class
asciilifeform: the entire field, giving its history and monetary incentives, is a poisonous offering. ☟︎
cads: But I'm optimistic since we can study the theory of what should constitute a correct and effective security property
cads: And I appreciate that this makes it /easier/ to avoid bugs - the only place a bug can now live is in the security properties you prove about your access model.
asciilifeform: and this requires a 'bonfire of the' complexity.
cads: I appreciate that we can create a kernel of security properties and then prove it about our access control model, and then build the system on that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean as a hesse reference ?