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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can safely skip the preceding thread, it is a nubsism
PeterL: <asciilifeform> but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned. << If I did want to return part of doublespend, where would I send it and be sure MP does not just pocket it?
asciilifeform: i ask 'gimme back me sword, mircea_popescu '
asciilifeform: say i owe mircea_popescu 100 btc.
asciilifeform: but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu issued a receipt and all
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the stop drinking thing was a rather substantive change in the usual. I think reduced the N in my SNR, but I'm not entirely sure.
davout: mircea_popescu: i can make one
asciilifeform: briefly back to mega-thread, i ~very much see the appeal~ of mircea_popescu's 'cold equations, motherfuckers!' angle.
davout: btw, is mircea_popescu in a position to transfer the bitbet.us domain?
asciilifeform: say i owe mircea_popescu 100 btc
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 15:37:30; mircea_popescu: the result is that your dream diverges from reality by that much, and it's not clear breaches OF THAT NATURE can ever be healed.
asciilifeform: at least after mircea_popescu made public the tx ids.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the christians called it 'sloth'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: but it is not my place to tell mircea_popescu (or davout , who in this case is holding the scalpel ) exactly how.
asciilifeform: take a stand. it is one of the things i always appreciated about mircea_popescu !11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not rightfully have a firm enough grip on harem to answer.
asciilifeform momentarily stunned by mircea_popescu being confessedly unsure of something!1111
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well these are connected, no ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 15:03:51; mircea_popescu: "the simplest"
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:06:24; mircea_popescu: anyway, take it from a software design perspective. you are proposing to change the stateless parser (bet accepted) -> (bet resolved) -> (bet paid out) into a stateful and undefined (bet accepted) -> (bet resolved) -> (???) -> (some thing paid according to some rules you can't know)
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 13:56:37; mircea_popescu: fine, if you absolutely must : suppose owner made an agreement with a third party that the nth txn goes to x and the nth+1 goes to y. are they now bound to revise their agreements on the basis of how you may wish to liberally reinterpret the protocol ?
asciilifeform: i would like to smoke the necessary dope to see mircea_popescu's pov here, where the scum who got paid twice had the temerity to whine about delayed payouts while sitting on their unearned windfall, but then somehow deserve to be paid a THIRD TIME
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 13:51:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438364 << and you're going to ask the fellow to submit proof that he didn't... sell the address ? or etc ?
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu drinking on the job?!??!!
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:20:36; mircea_popescu: solrodar there's no bitcoin precedent of "unjust enrichment", and if it is introduced it applies first of all to all miners.
davout: mircea_popescu: that way does sound like a good way!
davout: mircea_popescu: epic convo :D
solrodar: mircea_popescu: the bettors entered a contract with bitbet, then you, acting on bitbet's behalf, paid them too much by mistake. Even if there's no property in bitcoin, doesn't the existence of that contract allow you to introduce an argument of unjust enrichment?
davout: mircea_popescu: i guess i did when i said 'bettor'
davout: mircea_popescu: you haven't provided any support for the notion of "a fellow" that you introduced, or did i miss it?
solrodar: mircea_popescu: aren't you the one that always argues that there are no people, only keys? In which case there's nothing wrong with recovering money from keys. If the key is controlled by multiple people, that's their problem.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 13:51:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438364 << and you're going to ask the fellow to submit proof that he didn't... sell the address ? or etc ?
solrodar: so we say mircea_popescu controlled a large quantity of bitcoin, and had agreed to consider a certain quantity of it the property of bitbet, but that concept of property does not go beyond any agreement which may have existed between him and bitbet?
nubbins`: whether their name is snackman or mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: and in any case it was pretty clear that it was double send, mircea_popescu published the tx
trinque: mircea_popescu: ty
asciilifeform: i'm actually mildly surprised that mircea_popescu doesn't have a 3d printer somewhere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think modern baseline is close to 'printer in 1930'
diametric: mircea_popescu: i'll let you know if i develop popcorn lung
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they installed one at $rupturefarm a few days ago, i still can't quite figure out why, thing is huge
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is, more or less, a 'glue gun on wheels'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but in either case 3d printer, unless catastrophically miscalibrated, does not ignite
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf, nobody prints pvc, good way to gasenwagen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other popular feedstock is pla, which is made of corn exhaust
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no phthalate in abs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: abs melts and cools, and melts again, etc. this is why 3d printer is even a thing
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 00:31:03; mircea_popescu: it's actually a pretty serious health risk. the plasticisers / other treatments that make the 3d feedstock behave sufficiently like ink are all items of concern in food chain.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2016 20:56:07; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes happens to me all the time! then alf runs off and invents it and i'm like fuuuu wasn't this on trilema!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2016#1438070 << aaaactually mircea_popescu invented specificity-of-diddling-theorem, i just heavisided it ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is also very painful to the enemy at the business end of the barrel, which is what matters
asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu's formula.
asciilifeform: but iirc mircea_popescu & hanbot et al disagreed, so v had to be.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2016 20:49:10; mircea_popescu: if someone, as oft is the case for say mod6, is trying to make the whole pile of what was said abvout X, they encounter a very present difficulty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still regretting not doing that ?
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mrottenkolber.1:7ae7bb4fe0a9bf41b838dc065d19fceca42142f999e7016fa2cd143e92a2412f
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 06:30:10; mircea_popescu: abstraction is loss. you throw out all sorts of stuff and hope&pray that it wasn't actually needed.
davout: mircea_popescu: maybe use log.b-a.com for that purpose? how would pm tagging work?
mrottenkolber: mircea_popescu: No, sorry, still mumbling aout the why I am in b-a
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: mega-recommended cartoon, it shows what my mental picture of mircea_popescu looks like
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, best soap
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's story re wanting the jewels reminds me of mine
asciilifeform: interestingly, if it were not for mircea_popescu , i would have never learned this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes i am an arse! with no social graces! but my aspiration is that when i finally go to the woodchipper, folks will remember the pile of dead nazis, and not how i was arse.
asciilifeform: i.e. i might have a crude emulated mircea_popescu living in my head, but not a very well developed hanbot
hanbot: mircea_popescu you know that line gave me pause at the time, but i figured he was entertaining the noisebox so what do i know what he's answering to. all in all though, pretty odd.
asciilifeform finally grasps that mircea_popescu is going through the miserable l0gz
asciilifeform: largely as i know mircea_popescu.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i'm really interested in 'em, dead or alive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on their corpses, not them as such
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 07:43:11; mircea_popescu: hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag <string> and then a collection of clickable tags is published somewhere, each leading to a list of loglines ?
phf: <mircea_popescu> [20:02:06] i am currently of the " ' technology won't be solving human problems ' has been deeply abused and is taking its pound of flesh" school of thought. << i failed to parse, you saying "technology won't solve" has been overused, and there's need to lean in opposite direction?
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is presently in the 'nothing to be gained from machine-readable encodings of signature meanings' school of thought ?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 23:50:23; mircea_popescu: for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone.
jurov: yes, and withdrawing.. and i have to ping mircea_popescu again
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 23:11:33; mircea_popescu: in a different restatement, people "willing to take responsibility for their actions" only has an imaginary part, and no real part ; for the necessary reason that responsibility can not be defined coherently in the real space.
asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu had a good article, iirc, on this. it was the last gasp of the 'my computer is mine and i know how it works' era.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:50:15; mircea_popescu: and it is cheaper for this group to put forth an ideology than to do any actual investigative work
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:50:15; mircea_popescu: and it is cheaper for this group to put forth an ideology than to do any actual investigative work
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:49:37; mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, not a difficult one for as long as one lives on imaginary half mil a year and theorizes away. in practice, it will not be seen, nor has it.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:48:46; mircea_popescu: and, importantly, if it WERE to fail, how would we resolve the problem if it is or it isn't your fault.
mod6: mircea_popescu: formally, a group would have to be constructed to investigate and analyze failures and place blame where beyond required -- if it can be proved beyond any doubt.
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, indeed. i mean, i can "swear and affirm" that my code won't fail you, but really, I can't be certain one way or another. too many variables.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh i didn't wake you up, did i
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since when do we 'most people'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho single-bit scalar pgp is rather like car with sole control being a gas pedal.
asciilifeform: does anyone recall mircea_popescu's original push re: signing code ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> this patch has 'all signers: mircea_popescu trinque asciilifeform mod6' << i'll note that this signatures you're referencing are strictly for genesis.vpatch
asciilifeform: this patch has 'all signers: mircea_popescu trinque asciilifeform mod6'
asciilifeform: yet various clever folks had trouble, e.g., mircea_popescu, hanbot
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:25:29; mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn't "ours", no x's history isn't "ours". let them uphold it or let it die.
asciilifeform: as in the given example with mircea_popescu and vintage bitcoin
asciilifeform: other than mircea_popescu who actually bothered to lift one hand
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag <string> and then a collection of clickable tags is published somewhere, each leading to a list of loglines ? << This could work -- it's in the vein of the 'BUTTSECKS' flag. Which seems simple enough. And the given topic-'tag' is a decent idea, i.e. 'OOM' or 'Cramer-Shoup' or 'keccak'
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 07:47:15; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i have traveled to africa. unless one means specially designated experimental lab (some towns in south africa etc), internet connection is poor.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 07:43:11; mircea_popescu: hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag <string> and then a collection of clickable tags is published somewhere, each leading to a list of loglines ?