asciilifeform: the names/abstracts, that is, nobody save the owners have seen the algos
asciilifeform: funny part is that every 'spam wikipedia' (clone) still has them
asciilifeform: and not one (save the ill-fated Skipjack) has ever seen the light of day
asciilifeform: btw I find it interesting that the names, brief histories, and approximate purposes of the 'Suite A' ciphers (nsa proprietary) used to be on wikipedia
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're probably right that this is a crackpot hypothesis, it presumes competence where, as far as we know, none is left
asciilifeform: there's more than one way to steer people away from modern crypto
asciilifeform: if you were the fuhrer of NSA, and your minions have not yet found a pill against rsa/etc., what would you do?
asciilifeform: so we're left with the snowdens and ulbrichts (who become public fools) and the rest (who are invisible.)
asciilifeform: these just sit catatonically and don't do much of anything, i imagine
asciilifeform: there's also the issue of people who are literate enough to have some idea of what real security is, but not literate enough to practice it.
asciilifeform: Levison quoted a rather high cost (several $k) for changing his SSL certs, so presumably he did not do it often.
asciilifeform: you know, if the key is genuine (no bits diddled) the inquisitor got much of what he wanted. safe to assume that every packet lavabit shat or ate in its entire life was recorded.
asciilifeform: I'd like to point out that we do not yet know how the Levison story ends.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point. Bernard Gui & friends.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you remember Roland Freisler? perhaps he was the first truly modern judge.
asciilifeform: plenty of fellows with the inclinations, sans the gifts.
asciilifeform: I don't expect to grow old myself, and I'm not even remotely a judge. Dissenting or otherwise.
asciilifeform: where did Stalin put uncooperative judges?
asciilifeform: I'm rather pessimistic about their prospects in the far future, particularly the younger ones
asciilifeform: I was thinking of the 'good ones', if that wasn't clear
asciilifeform: these fellows will probably end up on some dour memorial plaque somewhere, maybe glued to the wall where the firing squad stood
asciilifeform: Don't get me wrong, I'd love to read the result
asciilifeform: I'm thinking also about the side-effects. Imagine printing a list of foot-dragging German judges in the '30s.
asciilifeform: picture a list of Mexican policemen who forgo bribes. so what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure about how writing a list of modern-day Soviet (or otherwise) judges fights anything...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think of Soviet judges.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like a foregone conclusion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aside from historical/nostalgic concerns, what would be the purpose of having the list of judges ?
asciilifeform: dub: personally, I'd prefer the 'magic' tooth from Dune.
asciilifeform: fun fact: you can see Herr Goering's actual arse safe in the 'spy museum' in Wash., DC.
asciilifeform: VanCleef: and 'arse safes' to secrete said cyanide in, a la Goering.
asciilifeform: VanCleef: make sure to also offer cyanide, for the Aaron Schwartz school of thought.
asciilifeform: i dare say his pulling the plug was more significant re: disobedience
asciilifeform: this is rather like that fellow who paid his tax bill with a wheelbarrow of pennies: not a real obstacle.
asciilifeform: hope he's got the good sense to skip the country (or fellate his pistol) before they bring him in for the crime of closing his shop.
asciilifeform: "I don't even need to transfer the Bitcoins when I make a loan. A transfer would only become necessary when depositors or borrowers draw down their accounts."
asciilifeform: where do you go to spend a phantom btc, of the kind shat out by a fractional reserve lender?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it succeeded in getting attention and pounding the signal-to-noise ratio of various places into the floor
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm just a bit befuddled at the success of the btc chumpatrons
asciilifeform: why does anyone trust them without a mathematical poison pill of some form ?
asciilifeform: well, these folks want trust without the reputation of an affair like mpex. so, cryptocontracts (shitcoin, or something more state-of-the-art)
asciilifeform: Duffer1: how not? you give some random fellow btc, he proceeds to do ???, you take his word for it
asciilifeform: do i understand correctly, the algo here: 1) peddle an outrageous crock of shit 2) people buy in 'for the lulz' 3) profit!
asciilifeform: Duffer1: i suppose the usual idiots bought in? not much of a chumpatron w/out the chumps
asciilifeform: somebody kindly clue me in, why was this labcoin crapola newsworthy to begin with?
