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asciilifeform: y'know how rms et al used to say 'publishing without gnu is same as working for microshit for free' ?
mircea_popescu: (pro tip, if your idea is "but mp, tor was actually built by nsa, this thing is just built by some random poor people" you lose at life. what the fuck, the socialists observe propriety lines now ? the whole world was made by their hunchback of a god and gave to them as a gift dontchaknow.)
mircea_popescu: or what was that schmuck's name.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the original issue, what exactly is supposed to protect gabriel's present infatuation from being applebaum'd in the arbitrary future ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc he recently began to rewrite the whole thing. for much the same reason that i had to rewrite phuctor earlier this year.
asciilifeform: i'm willing to bet that if phf's creation were sat down on a reasonably ~sane~ lisp system, e.g., sbcl, it would run stably.
mircea_popescu: "the Mist plateau is famous for its thick fogs and beautiful women"... wouldn't you expect this not to be the case ?
asciilifeform: and ben_vulpes also had something, but it is not firing on the battlefield atm afaik.
mircea_popescu: ah trinque was also on lisp huh. there is that. ☟︎
asciilifeform: well, to date experience consists of phf, who uses the buggy cmucl for some peculiar sentimental reason; and of trinque, whose shit appears to work ~100% of the time.
mircea_popescu: seems to fit experience exactly, also.
mircea_popescu: pretty good image, this.
asciilifeform: just blade. you hold it with a towel.
asciilifeform: i will also point out (and i have entire, lol, www, devoted to subj) that lisp on x86 pc is a sword without a hilt.
mircea_popescu: a sharp knife will do that, yes. the cursed sword of japan also.
asciilifeform: sorta how 'colt led cowboys to their graves'
asciilifeform: and 1,000,001 before him. a sharp knife will do that.
mircea_popescu: the republican experience with lisp to date is very sorry indeed. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness : common lisp has managed to shackle an otherwise very intelligent, competent fellow to the position he scored so bad on his tests he got flunked. this is no small performance, seeing how universally reviled and properly bad solutions do not have the sort of problem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3199109843356887@naggum.net.html << inevitably comes to mind, re chump bait etc
Framedragger: ahh. thanks for the picture. guess you're right
mircea_popescu: incidentally, you know that's how they get wet, right ?
Framedragger: well my last gf turned out to be sorta-adolescent, so i'm using osmosis as excuse
mircea_popescu: you lot have a lot in common with adolescent girls, you know this ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger then stop lying to yourself and draw the design spec correctly.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you're probably right. problem is, site may need to be expanded later, and i hate re-doing work. but, you're probably right, in the end...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform THEY HAVE UNIVERSAL DOMAIN
asciilifeform: what i meant was, mircea_popescu's observations about service industries and chumps are entirely, afaik, uncontroversially true, but i dun see how they connect to poor old gabriel_laddel's thing
mircea_popescu: wp theme is good spcifically if you want the same thing over many pages, comment box, post box etc.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger for a small thing like that which will stay small you're best served by spitting out html.
mircea_popescu: there is no "connect plox", and there is no "unconnected". they exist. that's it.
Framedragger: OT: i don't suspect anyone's got any suggestions for a wordpress theme to use (minimalist, gonna be ~3 pages in total, no comment box) for showcasing a newly published (non-electronic) book?
asciilifeform: well until one properly boltzmanns and connected heat and motion rigorously, they are 'unconnected' for any useful purpose.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "unconnected" even mean, sovereign from physics laws ?
mircea_popescu: dude... do you bring the same arguments re thermodynamics ? "yeah, heat so and so, but this is unconnected"
asciilifeform: (or, did he take another's ?)
mircea_popescu: what, you think the subject is special ?
asciilifeform: but where is this re: subj ?
mircea_popescu: the eternal male fantasy of the "free sex", "hook-up", whatever. this is how they use you to build the pyramids, you realise.
asciilifeform: at any rate i have nfi what he charges. but the pitch looked like an ordinary plumbing ad.
mircea_popescu: "if you're not the customer you're the product" "oh yeah, i understand that now" "no you don't" "o look, i hadn't understood it". either you pay, or else you're getting married. these are the options. stop confusing yourself.
asciilifeform: also who the hell puts a price on a ???.
asciilifeform: rather than, say, 'it'll be 10btc/hr and i have nfi how long will take'
asciilifeform: i assumed that if i were to call him up with a 'i need an x before next tuesday' he will say 'pay y btc'
mircea_popescu: i can't possibly comprehend why simple logic is so hard in practical application, but. unless he says "gimme 20 btc", what he says is "marry me". there are no possible, understand ~possible~ exceptions to this.
asciilifeform: where did he offer a 'marriage' in the 'we'll do... for all time' sense ?
mircea_popescu: everywhere. do you understand words ? they have meanings. you do not get to alter that, change domains, anything. everywhere means absolutely and without exception everywhere.
asciilifeform: so, say rupture farms pays laddel to write'em a climtronic reactor control panel.
mircea_popescu: if it's "ill give you 20 btc", then that's your cap. if it's "we'll do..." then you're lost.
asciilifeform: i meant in the software deal
asciilifeform: where's the unbounded exposure ?
mircea_popescu: the notion of acquiring for free unbounded exposure to some group of online retards is mindboggling.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a business strategy thing : throwing away 20k to see maybe a group of these "intelligent" retarded kids can get their shit together or not is one thing. oyu may do it or not, but if you do it it's because there's a definite cap on your exposure. even so - it'll be rare.
asciilifeform: by, presumably (i cannot support or undermine his claim, other than perhaps to point out that his 'business' appears to leave him homeless) studying ancient code and making sense thereof
mircea_popescu: it's useful in that it puts in stark contrast the business-idiocy of the whole tower.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if gabriel_laddel has to buy the clim from shanghai and bring it over by boat
mircea_popescu: the famous "no pirate exposure" pirate-era scams were in fact pirate whitelabels, to allow people to pretend etc.
asciilifeform: dunno if this is a very useful term re 'open sores support' business
mircea_popescu: ie, what supermarkets do with those "supermarket brand" items ; or what everyone on the internet does with their "expertise" etc.
mircea_popescu: well generally, whitelabel is whenever one uses his own connections to market someone else's product as if it were his own.
asciilifeform: do i understand the term correctly ? whitelabel is something one does with a turnkey (e.g., air compressor) item
mircea_popescu: so how is this different from "in the sense that i'd whitelabel it off him ?"
mircea_popescu: ok and then i call gabriel laddel ?
asciilifeform: nah, in the sense that someone, somewhere, would 'hey i need a climization of proggy, who shall i call...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it, so like, "electric car recharging" ? in the sense that i'd whitelabel it off him ?
mircea_popescu: the odds of mistaking friend and foe to quite the degree should be evidently dismal.
asciilifeform: (why he posted this here, and immediately vanished, i do not know.)
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's how this whole "online" thing worked for ever and ever : "corporate" creates a baited hook ; "consumer" mistakes baited hook for fish, gives his trust to google and his data to facebook. what am i, fucken retarded ?!
asciilifeform: but it looks like gabriel_laddel was speaking of 'clim support' as a type of plumbing service, which presumably he offers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i parsed the sentence in same way at first
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:158/to:158#158 << it's not clear to me what "clim support" does for a website ; i am certainly not going to expend marketing resources on some item i don't own. this last bit is particularly pernicious, incidentally - is this clim thing even breaking the law ? why the fuck am i supposed to confuse a bunch of usg-tools for my own men ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:149/to:149#149 << eh, you're thinking of some meta-enemy that lives in a parallel universe where different laws apply.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:143/to:143#143 << that's jus' fine.
gabriel_laddel: The tardstalks who put the "commercial support" section on the McCLIM website at the very end of a page for developers (lol: https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/involve) will probably take several months to organize. They don't english very well, and someone who does will have quite the advantage.
gabriel_laddel: If anyone wants to be WAY ahead of the curve, now would be the time to update your websites stating that you offer CLIM support / build CLIM programs aor start a marketing campaign.
gabriel_laddel: This leaves 38 forms to be implemented, many of which are simply sitting in the (crappy) franz implementation
gabriel_laddel: jackdaniel just submitted a working hack around the last showstopping McCLIM bug.
Framedragger: (final thing - sending SIGKILL and seeing what happens
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 05:16 mircea_popescu: the idea in both cases is that data storage depends on a very fixed relationship between geometry and magnetic substrate. breaking that (such as through boiling plastic, or cracking glass) is as good an approach as any "direct" method, and what's more stacks with any direct method.
Framedragger: restarting machine which does the logging to double-check that things reconnect in case of power failure etc., too.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and i'll implement these things even if phf's bot becomes more reliable or w/e, because, decentralization!1 ☟︎
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:606/to:606#606 << something like this? (default font, i'm not a fan of blitzy web69.0 fonts, either). i'll have some time to write the link citation part for the bot, as well as search, too. won't be today though
mod6: regardless, thanks for pointing that out.
mod6: thought there was something serious to the pH of the tomato sauce that would etch? the platters somewhat.
mircea_popescu: the idea in both cases is that data storage depends on a very fixed relationship between geometry and magnetic substrate. breaking that (such as through boiling plastic, or cracking glass) is as good an approach as any "direct" method, and what's more stacks with any direct method. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: to clarify mod6 : the boiling in tomato juice is a joke/throwback to the old days, when this was the way to dispose of flexible disks (esp the 5 inch ones), where the magnetic zone stands on some cheapo plastic. hard drives haven't used that style of platter for many years now, it's usually doped glass these days. boiling that doesn't do much of anything, but you can just crack the platters with a hammer/wrench whatever.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> not sure if i saw that one. will follow up with a blowtorch << Give more time with the heat.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron who's the pretty girl ?
trinque: it's not the transfer rate limit; it's whether connection stays open longer than ping/pong maybe.
asciilifeform: you could if qntra were an irc bot that has to meet timing or get tossed
mircea_popescu: laugh all you want at the lamp shitstack, but you can't take down qtra via wget
asciilifeform: if i had to guess.
asciilifeform: apparently phf is running the thing not only on cmucl, but on 486..?
mircea_popescu: phf got a lot to learn about the practical side of these things it turns out.
trinque: also, apparently the way to restart a111 is to give the www a good dicking?
mircea_popescu: "Earlier in the week I had taken screenshots of our Trello task board (Jessica was changing it around to make it look like I did nothing)" <<< ahahaha fucking idiot kids. "start-up", puts the motherloade of confidential/business matter on rando social media site. back at reality ranch, do that and you're fired, and you have to hire a lawyer. but in california idiot parade, they think it's about as standard as bottled water.
trinque: mod6: yeah, that's why I stopped the presses for it
mircea_popescu: best that way.
mod6: holy smokes. lol, that's all of em in one shot 'eh trinque?
mod6: then blow torched 'em.