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mircea_popescu: the beauty of language is
that it allows
this sort of analysis.
mircea_popescu: oh. well,
the same way everything else is done, you match against
the structure and increment a counter.
mircea_popescu: "i want my
theory
to work
therefore network anchors aren't people, evidently"
mircea_popescu: do you ever count how much of
this "i want
this not
that
therefore
the facts are so and so" you do in an average day ?
mircea_popescu: the
talking heads are 0cost faux people ; and most of
their subject matter, from hussein bahamas down.
mircea_popescu: and
to revisit <asciilifeform> fact is, enemy has not yet devised a means of making faux people at 0cost. : please watch
the news sometime.
mircea_popescu: but
the whole fucking point of
technology is
to broadly open new cunts.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
the "suffices"
thing is all a matter of who's attacking you and why. keeping each other's balances in excel spreadsheets also "Suffices".
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes asciilifeform has a point in
that penis makes for a fine way
to make friends.
the
thing is
that as i near 40, i'd dearly love some alternative method.
this
thing won't last forever.
mircea_popescu: trinque my shit is uniquely confusing. i call
them slaves, because it is
the proper
term. yet
they have more personal freedom and general, intellectual and otherwise independence
than any "liberated" hear-her-roar-in-english-only.
mircea_popescu: and of course,
the discussion is carried in
terms of go but isn't ABOUT go. it's about "human only
tasks"
trinque did wonder about
the magic which kept many women in close quarters with each other without killing each other
mircea_popescu: prior
to
the sedol debacle,
there was a simple "let's play go" solution
to human vs machine
mircea_popescu: new girls can go for years without meeting most of
the others ; forget all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it'd surprise you
to find
that less
than half my harem finds itself in my presence at any given
time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but with
the go algo it's come pretty damned close.
mircea_popescu: fuck
that. i been
there, done
that, it's enough
to run a smallish
trown and no more.
mircea_popescu: really, you want your source of power
to be chats in coffee shops ?
mircea_popescu: ie, "you just want
to and someone else gotta do
the work now"
mircea_popescu: and
this "making attacks costly" is exactly mining, any way you
turn it.
mircea_popescu: the reality of
the wot is
that it provides
the
tools
to make, perhaps, attacks unfeasibly costly. PERHAPS.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no,
that's
the whole delusion of wot, in
the minds of aspiring shamans such as yourself.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason you feed your horse with your own hand, even if you don't have
to.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger people want, sensibly,
to reduce
the
things
they worry about. however,
they often get confused in between
things
they could not worry about but have
to, and
things
they can't not worry about but don't have
to.
mircea_popescu: the weakness of
this scheme is exactly as described : fuzzing and
the binary
tree propagates a few
through it all
the way
to you.
mircea_popescu: the
thing you do not wish
to say, because you do not wish it
to be
turned
to dust under scrutiny, is
that razi is either dead, or else depends on sub-razis-1
through n
a111: Logged on 2014-10-16 00:01 asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like
the persian Razi.
mircea_popescu: well if you won't read and address
the points
there we'll have
to stop here, i'm not restating it.
mircea_popescu: yes. but how do you distinguish
the one
that isn't, from
the one
that merely appears not
to be, from
the other 9999 ?
mircea_popescu: spam was always point-driven. it's easy
to fight
the man who wants
to steal.
mircea_popescu: your brain will pick patterns, and now i managed
to get a few inside
through fuzzing.
mircea_popescu: you understand HOW music changed from music
to idiocy, yes ?
mircea_popescu: no, he's be using
the algo
that beat sedol
to create as many accounts as his electricity can power, and fuzz everyone out.
mircea_popescu: at least on appearances. but now model what someone
trying
to sybil would be doing.
mircea_popescu: ie, what makes my knowledge secure and
the
third party's knowledge dubious is...
the people who i know
to mine it \for me.
mircea_popescu: yeah, as contemplated in gossipd
there is no difficulty. but mining, still exists.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 14:04 mircea_popescu: similarily,
the ACTUAL order of message, and
the presence or absence of "j/k" messages in
there can a) never be established beyond reasonable doubt and b) can only be usefully guessed by people. which is
to say, well connected, intelligent nodes.
mircea_popescu: in fact, mining is included in
the gossipd implementation of privacy ; re-read
the example given
there
to phf.
mircea_popescu: it's
the feeling of "i've just been indescribably stupid."
mircea_popescu: "mechanized" is stupidified, generally. careful with mecanizing stuff for
the sake of feeling like you just came out of a us college.
Framedragger: i recall someone attempting an implementation / spec of
this 'everyone has
their own currency'
thing. just with wot being less central
to it, perhaps
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i want
to send penny wtihout bank" "bitcoin" "oh, without blockchaion, maybe little bank" "use little bank" "no, all
these
things have
the disadvantage
that
they don't include my 3yo self in a central manner sufficiently"
Framedragger: asciilifeform: multidimensional in what way? simply
that it'd have many parameters; or
that
there'd be many cliques / 'issuers' / whateva?
PeterL: I was just
trying
to
think of a way
to standardize between multiple nodes
mircea_popescu: PeterL and
this doesn't suggest
to you
the solution in search of problem angle ?
thestringpuller: yes lets put on our VR headset
to send my bff 5 bucks for a beer :D
PeterL: well, yes, eulora could be one of
the nodes in such a network
mircea_popescu: you can pay one satoshi instantly and without blockchain bloat.
today. go, do.
PeterL: I was
thinking it could be used
to facilitate micropayments,
things
too small
to deserve blockchain space