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gabriel_laddel: The problem with the DRM crowd is that nothing they have is valuable enough for someone to give a damn about maintaining the relationship.
gabriel_laddel: I don't know how to get a hard guarantee, so don't. It becomes a "state secret" sort of situation at that point.
gabriel_laddel: the DRM crowd wants is both ways - they want to sell to everyone and to have them not be able to share it
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: y'can't, i know. << oh I wouldn't say that.
gabriel_laddel: dly) that IP would take the form of gpg signatures on "i will not send this code around to anyone else", unenforceable just like the rest of the gpg contracts << Correct.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupi
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: trinque: what I'd do is try to land a client that gives no shits about masamune, but needs something it can do << I plan on approaching both. But yes, to restrict oneself to those who Lisp is braindamaged - people who know nothing about computer programming notice when software works well and will happily pay for something that doesn't break, get h
gabriel_laddel: just (print some-sexpr wotnet-stream) and (read wotnet-stream) all the way
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but come on, gimme a sandboxed lisp-ish thing, let it grab text over sockets, draw pretty pictures on a rectangle, done << hehe yep.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: WIP, no shame in that << You followed the install guide or just (ql:quickload 'masamune)'d it?
gabriel_laddel: I don't understand your argument here - you're saying that no one would pay for a working portage because people don't buy "chemistry"?
gabriel_laddel: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry" << see hyperchem lite
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: so does sublime text, and yet people fork over $70USD for it
gabriel_laddel: "I need to do my job, can't reasonably do it without XYZ, so I'll buy it"
gabriel_laddel: how is buying an actually working package manager any different?
gabriel_laddel: "I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money..."
gabriel_laddel: To those who would say "Oh you can't possibly sell a 3D CLIM, no one needs that" I will note that we *know* the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (Weapons and Complex Integration) built VisIt on top of OpenGL. They accept it as a given. USG doesn't want to win wars, but I'm willing to bet that someone on Earth does. One easy way to free up eng
gabriel_laddel: y-taught-in-3d) and no one is catering to their needs. System76 exists, they sell linux computers but their machines suck because they're stupid. I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune. Frankly, the marketing for all these companies sucks and I don't think it'll be terribly difficult to do far better.
gabriel_laddel: DE (with all the goodies MP and I discussed previously - !s paper clip), 3D CLIM (actually a rather involved project - selecting the correct hardware, reverse engineered opengl drivers etc is expensive and how exactly this gets split off into various products is complicated), a program that does run-time analysis on your CL code and optimizes it in
gabriel_laddel: I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money is on (source-included) extensions, which amounts to contracting gigs setting up intricate lessons for large companies, militaries, private schools and homeschoolers. Aside from this, various products I'd like to make and sell: a CL only I
gabriel_laddel: ll solve these exact problems and cost $100 dollars - it won't. My point /is/ that the notion there couldn't possibly be a unix worth paying for is absurd.
gabriel_laddel: etc), you wouldn't shell over $100 for it? You've already advertised spending a week(!) setting up a gentoo. ben_vulpes wasted at least an hour trying to figure out what the hell portage overlays do even. mod6 burnt god knows how long writing an (unfinished) gentoo install guide. How little is everyone's time worth? My point is not that Masamune wi
gabriel_laddel: ^ It appears that I should properly make the business case. If the unix in question had a sane substitute for portage (clearly specified set of systems guaranteed to build for a specified set of versions, no cyclic dependencies when you try to enable the USE flag for docs globally, sane CLOS structuring of the systems, `build' builds, `test' tests
gabriel_laddel: hinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem
gabriel_laddel: *: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en + asciilifeform: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. + mircea_popescu: i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. + asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he t
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. << ...
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! << idk wtf he was smoking - sounds like you should have packaged and sold it.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: after he beats the word "waste" into your skull << ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you may at best go work for the guy who can << hey, lemme know when you find him - I'm still searching.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. << unlike smbx, I've heard that their producs were never competitive, in spite of having all the brains and lisp machines they could possibly want. Related to the whole "they burned a pile of money" I've also been told they bought a firetruck to play with (wtf,
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. << lol
gabriel_laddel: re to (at most) become a "high powered businessman" (whatever that means, idk).
gabriel_laddel: g a business. EG: from what I can tell, it consists of fill out paperwork, go to point (lat,long), fill out more paperwork, if you fill out enough paperwork, you'll get special moron coins that you can spend at select hotels or trade in for airline credits. Fucking idiot nonsense to fill the lives of shmucks whose time isn't worth anything and aspi
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. << I see no reason that this must be the case, but yes, fiat-land tends to breed engineers who are terrible with money (bill gosper, stallman, richard gabriel). It also tends to make idiot managers. IMHO much of this is because of all the inane nonsense involved in runnin
gabriel_laddel: only discoveries. no inventions. << Okay, this makes sense - but someone must discover.
gabriel_laddel: my experience suggests that one must fuck them for this to be the case.
gabriel_laddel: I'm not a socialist in anycase, I support my own being evicted.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. << I think she'd actually evict me, then decry that there were homeless programmers.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple. << I'm almost insulted.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you're a capitalist everything exists << this makes no sense to me.
gabriel_laddel: shit catch up with them and we end up where we are today - nothing works and everyone insists that it does because they've bought into a lie. As for "is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise", thank you, will update.
gabriel_laddel: ally burn some of Earth's brighter minds, someone needs to think about the gnarly parser semantics when the language's syntax is updated - my experience is that you can't pay people to care) 3. use lisp. People have already tried 1 & 2, and the result is inevitably that even if they make money (Mathematica, Microsoft, Oracle...) the foundations of
gabriel_laddel: s, industrial chemists, architects, research physicists etc would like to have a plug-and-play solution for going about their work. There is money to be made here. Afaik the only way to get there is: 1. revert to paper 2. teach *everyone* what an AST is, choose a language, add AST traversal mechanisms and write *everything* in it (this will continu
gabriel_laddel: Intellij. The problem with these (ALGOL based) businesses is that their organizations ossify because of the sheer number of people that must get involved in any sort of "automation of programming". This is inescapable if you choose to use ALGOL. I realize that this isn't a result you believe exists, but reality doesn't care. Aside from software dev
gabriel_laddel: e effect of "linux devs are idiots and I'd like a judiciously defaulted gentoo please". The question is, at what point does this become something that you (or others ben_vulpes, mod6, asciilifeform etc have already wasted time derping with gentoo) would pay for? People pay for (what they see as) quality software - sublime text makes money, as does
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. << I didn't see this prior to our conversation, courtesy of not paying my bills. This is actually the crux of it, so let's revisit. You've publicly stated something to th
gabriel_laddel: story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Though I'll note the "chasing a better world a dollar at a time" makes a great deal of sense, unless one lives in the peculiar bezzle-buck nightmare we currently inhabit.
gabriel_laddel: I'd end up having to type for them, and at that point, wtf I'll just do it myself
gabriel_laddel: This model is bizzare. So if I'm a capitalist I should make money to purchase that which does not exist?
gabriel_laddel: "he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. " << I don't understand how this follows
gabriel_laddel: If it doesn't exist, and other people want it - go make and sell it.
gabriel_laddel: Hmm.. I think 4 should be "the capitalist simply presumes it *will* exist"
gabriel_laddel: My position is simply that I can be broke and work on what I want to work on without being terribly inconvenienced
gabriel_laddel: "that didn't. well... suppose it exists and costs what I have +1"
gabriel_laddel: I'd happily work at pretty much anything to make money for a sane computer.
gabriel_laddel: if sane computing existed I would (update and then) send out my resume