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asciilifeform: long gone are the days when a bottle of bees was the state of the art.
asciilifeform: wireless.
asciilifeform: they make remote-controlled instruments for this kind of work.
asciilifeform: what kind of exercise would this be if the answer involved only this.
asciilifeform: having private P,Q you can P*Q and get public.
asciilifeform: cads: nope.
asciilifeform: (somewhat less trivial if you want actual security, rather than a passing exam score, however)
asciilifeform: but the practical application of the known building blocks is quite trivial.
asciilifeform: benkay: under no circumstances should i be confused with an actual expert on crypto
asciilifeform: i'll poke him when i visit him on tuesday.
asciilifeform: colleague
asciilifeform: why
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: old hat.
asciilifeform: bureaucrats probably came in their pants, they hate the chore of key distribution, etc
asciilifeform: but one could conceive of F' being the key itself
asciilifeform: cads: with some 'hardness assumption' in the way of practically accomplishing this, yes.
asciilifeform: you have turds of a certain number-theoretical variety, that turn into plaintext when subjected to function F. F(turd) = plain. but you don't know F'(plain) = turd.
asciilifeform: not so hard.
asciilifeform: decryption?
asciilifeform: not like this is hard or anything.
asciilifeform: (undergrad level problem.)
asciilifeform: deduce a working 'joseki'-like cryptosystem.
asciilifeform: exercise for alert reader!
asciilifeform: (where 'anyone enciphers, only one reads')
asciilifeform: so you want something opposite to 'rsa'
asciilifeform: cads: idea probably was, you'd like to block-cipher the blob, but don't want to send a symmetric key (however contained) into the field.
asciilifeform: we'll know when an american Mitrohin or Rezun lifts the specs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: angels/pinhead, etc. one could easily picture something clever (block cipher allowing direct execution of crypted instructions, without an intermediate buffer for mass decrypt) or something foolish.
asciilifeform: cads: J. was devised for some unknown, godforsaken 1980s silicon. perhaps it sat the decryptor between the memory bus and cpu proper
asciilifeform: ('1984')
asciilifeform: the Party."
asciilifeform: even predominated. Actually, so far as he could judge, the majority of people in Airstrip One were small, dark, and ill-favoured. It was curious how that beetle-like type proliferated in the Ministries: little dumpy men, growing stout very early in life, with short legs, swift scuttling movements, and fat inscrutable faces with very small eyes. It was the type that seemed to flourish best under the dominion of
asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - existed and ☟︎
asciilifeform: implication is that this achieved something more than one can get by merely hashing & signing code.
asciilifeform: (bugmen like central admin.)
asciilifeform: mr. o blamed the telegraph
asciilifeform: but if you want a better smell, you'll need a time machine.
asciilifeform: if you're exceptionally lucky, it smells like the hangar where howard hughes farted in '72.
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/02/american-exceptionalism.html
asciilifeform: and now for something completely different:
asciilifeform: somebody ought to stoke one with this channel log.
asciilifeform: shannonizer?
asciilifeform: maybe it was just my imagination.
asciilifeform: if i recall
asciilifeform: something like that
asciilifeform: (it was used in military firmware)
asciilifeform: page was zapped some time ago.
asciilifeform: nsa cryptosystem, circa 1980s. implied to function on this principle.
asciilifeform: wiki used to have a page on 'joseki' (not to be confused with the Go players' term)
asciilifeform: incidentally
asciilifeform: or an observer could deduce logic
asciilifeform: cads: not so simple. you can't have the machine actually branch in any obvious sense
asciilifeform: (verified to do what you intended it to.)
asciilifeform: because the result can never be verified.
asciilifeform: you are forever doomed to trust the mechanism whereby you generated the cryptoturd.
asciilifeform: unless you are carrying out the compilation with paper and pencil,
asciilifeform: one neglected aspect of homomorphic turdcraft (let's assume that it were possible and practical in some general-'enough' case! for the sake of argument) is:
asciilifeform: and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paillier_cryptosystem
asciilifeform: no heroic feat here.
asciilifeform: cads: i reinvented the concept, as probably just about every maths student has, when first reading about Paillier's Addition and thinking 'what if you glue this to OISC - 'jump if zero' - machine.
asciilifeform: turdware vendors are mightily annoyed that the occasional consumer, 'smarter than average rabbit', pries open and exposes their turdwork.
asciilifeform: cads: look who is working on this, and why. or do i have to draw a picture.
asciilifeform: problem is (well, depending on how you look), the consumer is to be on the 'wrong end of the barrel' for this one.
asciilifeform: cads: exists (provably not in the general case, but for many particular cases, sure)
asciilifeform: garden variety winblows box could busy a thousand auditors for a thousand years.
asciilifeform: eh, it might as well be already
asciilifeform: of course, no need for such shenanigans if the box is already built of 'cooperative' iron.
asciilifeform: (if cosmic rays are insufficient, someone might be so kind as to pump some ionizing strange through your server. or merely turn up the thermostat in the cage. etc.)
asciilifeform: go ahead, prove anything useful about an x86 box where an arbitrary bit might flip.
asciilifeform: suddenly not so verified any more.
asciilifeform: 'ECC' memory is largely absent from consumer turdware. i wait for the box running your 'proofy' crap to be hit by cosmic ray.
asciilifeform: example, for the thick:
asciilifeform: the idea that bugs are being banished anywhere by this obscurantist crap is nonsense.
asciilifeform: we aren't seeing proof in the mathematical sense. only (apologies to bush the lesser) - 'proofiness.'
asciilifeform: the entire field, giving its history and monetary incentives, is a poisonous offering. ☟︎
asciilifeform: or something as mundane as the hardware.
asciilifeform: and this requires a 'bonfire of the' complexity.
asciilifeform: by actual brains
asciilifeform: it is an attempt to hide head in the sand, escape from the fact that the only way to guarantee expected function is: actual understanding
asciilifeform: yes
asciilifeform: the whole 'automated proofs' business is fundamentally turdalicious
asciilifeform: (see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475)
asciilifeform: attempts at 'transitioning from the informal to the formal by formal means'.
asciilifeform: (as discussed in a turd of mine, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 and elsewhere)
asciilifeform: re: c0qlovers and proof-of-whatever: a particularly egregious case of glass bead game.
asciilifeform: try 'pithecantropic' ?
asciilifeform: glass bead game.
asciilifeform: it's hilarious. they have people 'formally verify' DRM crud.
asciilifeform: (i once discovered that my uni used to have a rifle range. gone.)
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ
asciilifeform: obligatory link to the MIT lamp video!
asciilifeform: arguably imperative, but we live in bizarroworld
asciilifeform: implementing btc would be a little like having the mech eng. students build a working howitzer.
asciilifeform: and is 'politically' safe.
asciilifeform: sed is arguably harder.
asciilifeform: 'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework'
asciilifeform: give it another decade... we implemented 'sed'.