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asciilifeform: i do grasp. this crud tends to go away very quickly.
mircea_popescu: the part you don't seem to at all grasp is that ~nobody cares.
asciilifeform: if i had time, i'd buy the thing and publicly rape it (differential power probe) but i haven't the time. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but with moar faux 'proof' slathered on (it signs a helloworld with the privkey every time it is switched on, etc.)
mircea_popescu: kinda has to be neh.
asciilifeform: really 'opendime' is a small variation on the tired old 'physical coins' theme.
mircea_popescu: whoever sells fire is selling the sizzle :)
asciilifeform: 'Yes. It's like a piggy-bank. You must destroy it to spend the funds. At first that seems expensive and wasteful, but it's a key part of our security model: you can trust a sealed Opendime, and it's obvious when it's been opened.' etc. is a lie. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if judged by effects, fire is more pedagogic than university.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, to be a consumer means - you get comfortable X, and no possibility to scale it.
asciilifeform: but also from the sheer antipedagogic (is there better term?) effect of the thing even being taken seriously by anyone.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well. problem begins when consumer prefers to pretend everything scales liniarly.
mircea_popescu: so buyer is getting literally what was promised him : a small USB stick that allows you to spend Bitcoin like a dollar bill.
mircea_popescu: it's not worth it to third party to copy for one dollar ; and otherwise the supply floats at the pleasure of the issuer.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the protection here is that if indeed this item is to be used "like a dollar bill", then that's protection enough.
asciilifeform: emble or convert into human readable form any part of the Product or Software or create derivative works based on, or any competitive or emulating software, service or solution using, any Product or Software; ' << moar lel
asciilifeform: 'Restrictions. You shall not: (a) except as expressly permitted herein, reproduce, duplicate, copy, disclose, sell, resell, sublicense, distribute, assign, transfer, give away, loan, lend, lease, publish, pledge or create a security interest in the Software or use the Software other than in connection with the Product on which it is included; (b) modify, port, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, unbundle, repackage, decompile, disass
asciilifeform: but rather it is a carefully-designed weapon against the buyer, who pays for, aims, and fires it with own hands...
asciilifeform: i quite enjoy reading about machines that are ~intrinsic~ scamatrons - i.e. the design cannot possibly be described as 'honest mistake', or even product of ordinary stupidity
asciilifeform: it is not especially hard to make physically-indistinguishable device where i know privkey in advance before giving the 'uncopyable' item to a chump.
asciilifeform: gotta love the neverending attempt to make water non-wet. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Can I re-seal after breaking the center? No. A permanent change is made inside the flash memory of the processor.' << which i can't remove and replace with identical-looking one, containing same procedure, exactly why...? ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'There are a number of ways to verify the device; first, you can click on a link shown in the index.htm file present on the device. That link includes a signed message, that only an Opendime with access to the private key can generate.' << who wants to buy one of these things and see what the nonces look like. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( generally there are few enough active sc4mz0rz peddling hardware that i normally take the sweat to read their output, it is educational )
asciilifeform: whole thing linked here solely to illustrate the kind of braindamage without which promisetronics could not exist. it occurs to no one to ask ~what ensure that it behaves like-so~.
asciilifeform: re: earlier link, https://github.com/opendime/opendime/blob/master/unsealed/advanced/rngverify.py << if you read this, it is trivially obvious that the manufacturer can trivially supply a secret (presumably a pill against their rng) that would allow a user to silently spend the contents of a 'sealed' drive. ~how~ is left as exercise for readers.
mircea_popescu: within a tolerance of o.01%
mircea_popescu: from which we find that, remarkably, by mid sept 2016 trilema had published 68.8k footnotes and 68.8k images.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/the-human-latrine-pig/#identifier_9_68858 << notice the identifier part. images work the same way, eg class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-68863 in that same article.
mircea_popescu: you know you already have the code. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: how'd you arrange for the unique-over-blog handles?
mircea_popescu: this'd be the exactly counterpart to the very common "mp is in heaven and i am in hell, life is so unfair" ever-so-common approach. "oh look, i thought i too had a blog ; except check out what a proper one actually does!"
mircea_popescu: phf i see somebody's been doing some things!
asciilifeform: https://opendime.com << moar great promisetronics. 'There is no way to input data as the drive is read-only. Also, a new random nonce is signed each time you power up device. You can also plug/re-plug to get a new nonce and matching signature.' etc.
mircea_popescu: deliberately, too. some things should be painful to produce.
ben_vulpes: ah that is handy
ben_vulpes: other than creeping featuritis
ben_vulpes: hey genuinely curious what you see in that
ben_vulpes: why do unique footnotes over whole thing matter?
phf: ben_vulpes: don't listen to him, he's insane
asciilifeform: phf: then keep a (gensym) thing on the server you can call.
phf: mp's footnotes have a nifty feature, where each footnote is unique over the publishing history. would be hard to do it manually
asciilifeform: srsly tell me why this needs to live on server.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: just generate the necessary html on own box prior to posting
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it isn't clear that the thing needs to be a plugin
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
adlai: ARE WE THE GODS OF OUR UNIVERSE?
adlai: anyway, it turns out that there is 'free energy' to be scalped off markets other than s.mpoe[RIP]. who'da thunk?
adlai: what do horse quarters have to do with the price of eggs in wottistan?
mircea_popescu: such pravoslavnic folk and they can't find themselves a stable situation.
adlai: "... and then there were none"
mircea_popescu: "one day, orlov got indigestion from a pea dish, and died. krilov, hearing such, died too. spiridonov however died all by himself. and his wife fell from the cupboard and also died. and his children drowned in a pond. and his grandmother took to the bottle and started hitchhiking."
shinohai: thy rod and thy staff they comfort me
trinque: ah, that's more like it adlai
phf: they are much better with thought control, out there in jew land. former ussr engineers, what do you expect.
adlai: sadly the archiveception waned oiotoshic
adlai learned that before pressing the clock, he counts again liberties of each group. this is as relevant to irc as it is to pokemon.
phf: when i hear the word community ..., i release the safety on my browning
asciilifeform: ( does adlai post by morsing on the wall of his cell ? he hardly ever speaks these days )
asciilifeform: adlai: that didn't actually save anything...
shinohai: add trilema.com to twitter bot and get 250k impressions in a week
asciilifeform: phf and possibly other folks will find v. toth's ~entire www interesting. it is one of these quite educational but at same time mega-depressing 'these people aren't made any moar' affairs.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's this deep pastoral root of his specific flavour ; he sounds in a sense like twain, and like jerome k jerome, and like the arab absurdists.
mircea_popescu: phf the moral being that communities belong enslaved ; and not in control.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think we did, no.
asciilifeform: (per my estimate of the transistor count, i'd say that a 100% cycle-for-cycle clone could handily sit down in a $100 fpga and leave plenty of room for, e.g., modern colour vga, etc.)
asciilifeform: but this was long ago.
asciilifeform: i even offered to dks to make formal commercial partnership to build clone, and he gave impression that he was interested but unfree to agree
asciilifeform: at the time i was fixated on ~cloning~ the machine and was quite disappointed with the docs, there is minimal discussion of internals.
phf: i'm hoping that for my deeds dks will grant me a boon, "i asked 'er for a hair from her head. she gave me three"
asciilifeform: i have the dead tree version, it was given to me as a gift by an old and tired ex-mit fella
phf: Framedragger: alf's archive link ~is~ bitsavers, it's just not like 1 pdf. it's about 200 of them, so you kind of need to narrow it down a bit
asciilifeform: Framedragger: these really wanted to be read on the machine, it was the original and - imho - still best of all time 'context doc' system
Framedragger: phf: niice. thanks
Framedragger: phf: aha, bitsavers, noted, thanks! alf's archive.org copy should do just fine.. there's even plain text format, doesn't appear to be garbled
phf: you probably want this set specifically http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/symbolics/software/genera_8/
phf: Framedragger: entire set of symbolics documents is on the bitsavers, i can track down relevant bits for you, but it'll take a bit, since i was reading it on a lispm
Framedragger: oh - much thanks
Framedragger: phf: is that spec available online somewhere (or, keywords) by any chance? curious to take a peek at some point.. is it published by symbolics?
asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, one of my recent digs concluded with the sad discovery that nobody on the planet is any longer supplying microcontrollers with uv window eprom in appreciable qty.
asciilifeform: what do you need to make'em happen ?
phf: in related news i finally read genera's defsystem spec and not only does it ~makes sense~ it's also obvious that first takes on c-land defsystems was a pale imitation of original functionality, i.e. слышит звон но не знает где он
asciilifeform: which is why any item that is of interest here, ought to be picked up and nailed to the floor, as i nailed trb's deps.
asciilifeform: phf: there are two and precisely two kinds of heathen proggy: the kind that's been poetteringized, and the kind that will be.
phf: indeed, and it's also very idiosyncratic, to the point where i don't think anyone but Fare can work on it. on a whim i switched my system to asdf 1.* (last release before peanut gallery took asdf over) and not surprisingly everything works, ~except~ when project explicitly relies on asdf3 functionality, which is exclusively test hooks, uiop and hardcoded "needs asdf>3" requirements
asciilifeform recalls thread
phf: i think asdf is evil, version 3 is doing some straight up systemd shit. for those who don't know asdf 3 comes with fare's own portability layer called uiop, which in a very systemd agressive and underhanded style is superseding existing utility libraries. ☟︎
phf: trinque: i was being fanciful. i used most of the ircbot for a111, so had to at least stackoverflow read it ;P
thestringpuller: I want to make it stop.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: thanks for reminding me of kharms, that's *one* modern russian writer i've actually read (in .lt), good stuff. recall reading it on a bench in park with friend and a bottle of something strong between us. people smirked at us, i smirked back
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 14:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the main cause of all the turmoil whenever we discuss this particular thing is that you keep confusing syntax and meta-syntax. but it's finally clearing up, because eg. "where i could, e.g., (require "a591af34" is starting to sound like sanity, which is to say, that you import primitives rather than collations.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542326 << i suspect that we didn't actually disagree on this to begin with. ☝︎
Framedragger: # half the file during "curl | sh"
Framedragger: # wrapped up in a function so that we have some protection against only getting
Framedragger: mein gott. decided to deploy one of the newer 'productivity web apps' for work, official install is through docker, and *obviously* official docker install is `wget -qO- https://get.docker.com/ | sh`. BUT LOOK at the end of that legit2000.sh is: ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and if you CAN'T do this, then the solution is to go, read. i also can't speak maori, but this doesn't mean i sit around and make "maori sounding" noises.
mircea_popescu: in sanity, you are supposed to a) be acquainted with functions, objects, structures, etc by name ; and on the grounds of having read and wrote them until they revealed all their secrets, no "we got to second base" bullshit ; b) import them, and them only. which is why "require library" is so fucking idiotic.
mircea_popescu: the concept of "require" as "this particular primitive" is one thing ; but the way it's practiced and the way fucking galls me is as "this particular collection".
mircea_popescu: the concept of "library" as "this collection of primitives" is meta-syntactic, and strictly personal idiomatic. that a bunch of anglotards try this thing where they "all mean nigger in the same sense - and everyone always does!" is just you know, anglotards being anglotards.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the main cause of all the turmoil whenever we discuss this particular thing is that you keep confusing syntax and meta-syntax. but it's finally clearing up, because eg. "where i could, e.g., (require "a591af34" is starting to sound like sanity, which is to say, that you import primitives rather than collations. ☟︎