asciilifeform: wait a sec

asciilifeform: moiety: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips

asciilifeform: will be interesting to see what becomes of the empty throne.

asciilifeform: after that, they go somewhere else...

asciilifeform: the devs stay on their ceremonial throne until the first bugocalypse.

asciilifeform: bip-12 appears to specify a max recursion depth of 2

asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, pissing on this particular electric fence is strictly voluntary.

asciilifeform: (or were, last i checked)

asciilifeform: given that most of the opcodes in the classical client are commented out

asciilifeform: but i'm trying to enumerate the possible cases

asciilifeform: sure

asciilifeform: cursory reading of bip-12 suggests that it gives you a coin that sits on a magic addr, from whence it can, say, move to A1, A2, or A3 but nowhere else

asciilifeform: trying to figure out the point

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0016.mediawiki

asciilifeform: bip-16 ?

asciilifeform: p2sh ?

asciilifeform: moiety: you also missed n-sat solver.

asciilifeform: who resented being put to such a task.

asciilifeform: the '3' was a monkeywrench thrown by their monkey

asciilifeform: bah.

asciilifeform: ;;ud kolkhoz

asciilifeform: the kind with 'kolhozes on mars'

asciilifeform: stross, if i'm not mistaken, is the 'other kind' of writer

asciilifeform: starvation.

asciilifeform: and no

asciilifeform: no/no/no

asciilifeform: pop quiz for whoever: how did the discoverer of the 'LED' die?

asciilifeform: people did amazing things with optics, without any access to coherent light, much less computer

asciilifeform: (from the 'weird soviet crap' dept. of my brain)

asciilifeform: it could use a little help from modern electronics, and come back with a vengeance

asciilifeform: there's a whole field of weird analogue computers using light, that mostly died out some time last century

asciilifeform: i only brought this up because armed bandits and knapsacks.

asciilifeform: which i realized the next day.

asciilifeform: incidentally, 'there are no new ideas', etc. and this is but a minor generalization of shamir's TWINKLE/TWIRL

asciilifeform: lnovy: please elaborate?

asciilifeform: i don't insist that this is a useful mechanism, that necessarily does 'the job'. only that 1) i never found any trace that it was proposed before 2) i cannot see a 'textbook' reason why it ought not to work

asciilifeform: and measure the error of the 'answer'

asciilifeform: pull the rotator slides one by one

asciilifeform: no need.

asciilifeform: not directly.

asciilifeform: if you can determine the path, you have answer.

asciilifeform: idea is, some scattered light will take the correct path through the rotators

asciilifeform: because you can perform modular arithmetic using rotation

asciilifeform: it's a brute-forcer for n-SAT, too

asciilifeform waves to dr. evil reading this

asciilifeform: and then we can go cry

asciilifeform: damnit, you want that i draw the whole picture, and then some bozo maps knapsack to the discrete logarithm problem

asciilifeform: (basic principle due to herr pasteur)

asciilifeform: http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/1organic/graphics/24_19.gif

asciilifeform: this is a strictly 1900s contraption.

asciilifeform: (source: my turdbook, circa '08)

asciilifeform: result: machine solving knapsack problem in polynomial time.

asciilifeform: (and how to attach 'weights' to n1, ... nk)

asciilifeform: (incl. how to get the answer out.)

asciilifeform: endgame is an exercise for the alert reader.

asciilifeform: each region rotates the light by d1, d2, ... dk degrees.

asciilifeform: in the pipe, slides containing each a matrix of regions of optically rotating substance (chiral whatever)

asciilifeform: on the other end of tube, a filter which passes only light polarized P degrees.

asciilifeform: now consider a source of light, of known polarization, shining into a tube

asciilifeform: that was just a simplified restatement of problem;

asciilifeform: you want, from a set n1, n2, n3, ... nk, a subset such that sum(...) = S

asciilifeform: consider this knapsack packer: ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: incidentally ☟︎

asciilifeform: i also have a hunch that it is a variant of Knapsack Problem

asciilifeform: but an actual expert might know. (i was thrown into that line of work by accident.)

asciilifeform: not afaik

asciilifeform: with homology modelling.

asciilifeform: i meant, literally this game.

asciilifeform: long story.

asciilifeform: with genetic sequences.

asciilifeform: fuck, i've played this game!

asciilifeform: noise being 'frequency of substrings that contain no valid words,' perhaps.

asciilifeform: certainly.

asciilifeform: then strategy is clear, measure the noise.

asciilifeform: but noised to differing degrees, deliberately?

asciilifeform: and with varying degrees of noise?

asciilifeform: random selections from dictionary, then permuted a character at a time before start?

asciilifeform: from whence do the strings come?

asciilifeform: illustrate?

asciilifeform: not all, but once 'x' becomes 'xy' and there is no 'xylophone' in the table...

asciilifeform: unless i'm missing something

asciilifeform: if the current buffer at any time does not match the beginning of any useful word, switch.

asciilifeform: or, failing that, simply the set of necessary words (all words from his poem slate)

asciilifeform: well, consider a bot. he can contain whatever, so he has an embedded dictionary (for the natural language of the poems)

asciilifeform: s/erudit/scrabble

asciilifeform: and it's not clear, from this description, that the ideal strategy is any kind of problem

asciilifeform: sounds like a variation on 'Erudit'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: might want to describe this for the simple (i.e. mathematically)

asciilifeform: 'read one character at a time' << from another player's slate?

asciilifeform: what's the goal? to reproduce the poem before the other players?

asciilifeform: the final reports are worth reading

asciilifeform: rather than between players directly

asciilifeform: this sound like fun, but the contest was a robot-writing one

asciilifeform: they sorta did.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: contest inspired by Axelrod's prisoner's dilemma tournament

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is old news; 2nd tournament is mostly done now, too

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: multi-armed bandit: http://lalandlab.st-andrews.ac.uk/tournaments/tournament1/sociallearning.html

asciilifeform: 'SEX EXISTS' (graffiti on an abandoned warehouse in wash. d.c. area.)

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'in the game of chess, you must never let the enemy see your pieces!' (from same.)