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mod6: yeah, i do too
asciilifeform: gotta admit i like esthlos's summary page
BingoBoingo: Well, the all time low of systems I interacted with is pre-Uruguay when I went to Southern Illinois University for my graduate philosophy stint. The independent university department had an interactive pdf web form everyone had to use to register for the sticker to keep their vehicles from getting kidnapped by University Parking.
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, the local telecom monopoly where i get me fiberz bought what remained of aol. so finally the ancient nightmare is in a sense troo, asciilifeform is 'subscribed to aol' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where's lower than aol, nao i'm curious
BingoBoingo: No, I mean descent from. There is still lower than AOL.
BingoBoingo: I dunno how many orcmade systems you interact with, but regression from AOL seems common
asciilifeform: could be worse, i suppose they could all have been on aol...
mircea_popescu: i am not that old.
asciilifeform: ( i dun have a corps of janissaries to fetch letters from hitler containing the ssl magic of-the-day )
mircea_popescu: i don't recall how long it's been, but i've been happy enough emailess
asciilifeform: i actually bothered to peek in the logs on that box, it gets confronted with ssl crapola handshakes from the receiver's end and evidently doesn't spit out the hitler-approved answer
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855439 << i found last night that ~nuffin from my old squirrelmail workhorse actually gets delivered any moar. prolly for this reason. ☝︎
asciilifeform: btw i'll add that if you use raw ip, you 'win' 8 'phree' bytes ( that normally eaten by udp header )
asciilifeform: ( hence why i put that 512 as the initial guess for Payload_Size )
asciilifeform: which in so far as i can tell, doesn't frag.
asciilifeform: possibly i misread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855464 , but gotta point out that the padding is not somehow separable from the message prior to decrypt, it is 'in' that final 4096bit output of the modexp ☝︎
asciilifeform: i know of no pill against this
asciilifeform: i think i get it tho
mircea_popescu: and for all the arabic pretense, i'd be somewhat surprised if there's one guy in the whole country whose harem can toe to toe with mine.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-28 16:56 Mocky: re: ice40 x250 and other projects: If I get a toe hold in Qatar, they have a 'free zone' to entice foreign R&D and tech startups which permits a new company to have 100% foreign owners, 0% tax on profits, duty free import/export. But requires them to like you and what you're trying to do.
Mocky: BingoBoingo can get a new look: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/cd/26/a5cd26499cb08068f1451decd0da257a.jpg
a111: Logged on 2018-09-28 16:26 asciilifeform: i.e. you'd have to ship'em out of BingoBoingostan in boxes.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-30 15:22 mircea_popescu: atm, im blaming udp. and i would very much like to see it go away, right now.
asciilifeform: i grasp that sometimes cannot avoid stateful protocol, but the state belongs in the multi-opteron pc running the user proggy, not in the 32kB of misfortunate routers along the way
a111: Logged on 2015-07-30 15:22 mircea_popescu: atm, im blaming udp. and i would very much like to see it go away, right now.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-28 15:13 asciilifeform: i for one would rather have no frag reassembly at all if writing ip stack. not only b/c complexity but also this.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855325 << i can see it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( these already , not counting i suppose mircea_popescu's chix, cannot escape anywhere, the 'education' mutilated'em into permanent usaschwitz inmates )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re the loans lulz -- i regularly wonder when they'll dispense with the pretense and finally herd the debtors into work gulag
Mocky: re: ice40 x250 and other projects: If I get a toe hold in Qatar, they have a 'free zone' to entice foreign R&D and tech startups which permits a new company to have 100% foreign owners, 0% tax on profits, duty free import/export. But requires them to like you and what you're trying to do. ☟︎
mod6: *nod* makes sense. Once I get all of the info back I need, I'll send around a board comm so we're all on the same page, and will list some possible options.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm pinching pennies in case i gotta do an expedition in near term
mod6: I've asked a number of times in both castles, and a few individuals direclty (whom previously said they'd be willing); no takers yet -- however, still waiting on some info back before we're on our own. Will let you know.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'll do it if absolutely nobody else wants to , but stretched rather thin, so give it coupla days if you can
asciilifeform: not even necessarily in jest. i'm not averse to using absolutely anyffing, if it worx.
asciilifeform: but i suspect not a winner, they do what, 500 km.
asciilifeform: i.e. you'd have to ship'em out of BingoBoingostan in boxes. ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the tricky bit , as i understand, with those, is that they only work in 1 dir
asciilifeform: and i'ma never recommend to anyone the use of heathen 'rsa chips'. not even because they all, without exception, work with only 'toy' key lengths, but because srsly wtf. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I have the local news playing in the background. But they are talking about these guys. https://archive.is/RRHQ Mind the publication date and remember this country was Lego free until that awful movie came out.
asciilifeform: Mocky: in the past i attempted a fpga rsa also. sadly the 'ice40' would need to be about 250x bigger, for it to be bakeable
Mocky: Japanese robot seals ... wtf am i looking at right now, lol
asciilifeform: Mocky: it will once i get one going with inline asm'd addition/shifts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whole reason ddos even exists as a concept is the short-sighted idjicy of arpa designers. i'd like to avoid repeating it.
asciilifeform: Mocky: incidentally, it is possible to do what i suggested to him then, which is to change the protocol # in the ip header and be generic ip, rather than udp . but only once we have own ip stack.
asciilifeform: Mocky: i suspect that he's rtfm'd since
asciilifeform: i'll observe that if you dispense with fraggism, ip stack becomes fairly easy to write ( i.e. if you support only unfragged udp and nuffin else )
Mocky: I don't see the benefit of building in a reliance on an external UDP fragment reassembly mechanism when the algo is 'all or nothing'.
asciilifeform: i for one would rather have no frag reassembly at all if writing ip stack. not only b/c complexity but also this. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. it is fundamentally an 'allcomers-can-claim-some-ram' item
asciilifeform: re : udpism : at the risk of rehashing some of the ancient gossipd thread, i'ma put a few notes re fragging :
mod6: I'm about ready to start hunting too. It's getting close to that time of year.
mod6: mmm, i wanna throw some ribs in the smoker.
BingoBoingo: Apparently it is going to be a good year for pork and problematic year for snakes, of which I have yet to see any in this country
a111: Logged on 2018-09-28 06:24 diana_coman: asciilifeform's published test data seems to match what I got on my initial tests with 1 second delay; my current plan is to collect first at least 1 week worth of data and then to repeat the experiment with a. smaller delays b. several senders perhaps
diana_coman: asciilifeform's published test data seems to match what I got on my initial tests with 1 second delay; my current plan is to collect first at least 1 week worth of data and then to repeat the experiment with a. smaller delays b. several senders perhaps ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 19:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have returned from the envirorast office, about to fire off a message to DHL informing them to try again as I am a provisionally acredited importer of packaged goods for commercial use
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 17:54 asciilifeform: phf: imho your approach , i.e. dispensing with gnupatch, is The Right Thing, historically there was quite a bit of grief from gnupatch's habit of eagerly attempting to apply an invalid (by vtronic lights) but 'partially ok' by barbarian lights patch
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 17:27 phf: trinque: vtools has not been design or intended to compete with any particular v implementation. it's a set of tools that you can use in a v workflow (hence the name). at least initially it was two matching tools vdiff and vpatch that know how to produce and consume a canonical vpatch. the conflation came up, because i also published vtools in a form that broke existing canonical v, v.pl, and was tasked with fixing the situation.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855041 << this is so, "here's a complete model" is a periodic necessity. just you know, can't complain that "not there jit when i wanted it". but yes in general, ur examples must be had, fully functional model trains must exist, etc. otherwise how to even run academia. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: dunno how many people keep that around though. i don't think it'd be a crime or anything to make a command-line keccak branch off of it, so people can just press to that if they want.
mircea_popescu: re stand-alone hasher : useful in general (for reason alf describes) even if not strictly needed for v work ; the only way to get one i know of atm is via eucrypt.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 09:34 diana_coman: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ -> gotta ask here, phf, am I missing something or what Wednesday was that there in the first line meant to be?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 15:58 phf: i guess it's presumptuous on my part to think that it's exactly obvious how to take vtools and plug it directly into an existing v's, but that's all that's needed
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855025 << actually this is exactly >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854931 ; i saw it there then, i checked it off in my head and did not return, that or any other wednesday, to check. turns out, it got dropped. don't do that! ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: or should i say alsa.
mircea_popescu: aha. i recall this also.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 15:57 phf: i think v.pl is a venerable tool, it's battle tested, it has established interface, it's been worked on for three years now. i don't see any reason to throw it out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855023 << moreover, i can't imagine who the fuck would make this call ~for others~. you don't like having it, by all means, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854751 ; but i am not going to say "do not use v.pl". ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: last i knew.
asciilifeform: i dun know the specific answer. but suspect it has to do with the sad audio mixer on most os. they wanna hear the game sounds + the chat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform through whatever they like. it's their fucking friends, neh ? sometimes gaming i'll speak acrossd table / yell across room w/e. my fucking harem, my fucking business.
asciilifeform: i.e. with telephones ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see why they can't do this -- independently.
asciilifeform: i meant those mud folx who have microphones in the game
asciilifeform: i've nfi why you'd want >1k/s per user, unless you were doing voices or somesuch exotica
mircea_popescu: i don't really want the traffic to go much over the kb/s range
asciilifeform: mod6: i seem to recall a much sadder london test but that was with very heavy packets iirc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect wasn't even in '94
asciilifeform: yea i suspect 508 is a textbookism
asciilifeform: ( i dun have a tap in florida, lol )
asciilifeform: i'ma try with 10ms
mircea_popescu: and diana_coman or hanbot or who will you pick have little problem in turning over next-day keccak patches on trees, as recently put on display. i don't think they're either smarter or blesseder than you, they just have the toolset ready.
mircea_popescu: so then. phf did a new ~vdiff~. and a very good one at that, from all i can see.
asciilifeform: i.e. ->, <-, ->, ...
mircea_popescu: and bidirectional is good imo, i half expect to discover parity between lastmile->dc and dc->lastmile directions.
asciilifeform: i.e. : cat uy_receiver_udp_log.txt | cut -f 1 -d ',' > receiver_idx.txt ; cat usa_sender_udp_log.txt | cut -f 1 -d ',' > sender_idx.txt ; diff sender_idx.txt receiver_idx.txt << produces nil
mircea_popescu: restaurant served me complete pie, but body shop did only paint the preexisting car i supplied them with.
asciilifeform: but ftr i released complete kit with orig v, not half thing.
asciilifeform: i dun recall asking for 'use THIS .emacs' lol
mircea_popescu: you realise, i'm not going to go "here -- use THIS .emacs". not in this life.
asciilifeform: packets, i mean
mircea_popescu: that alf manages to do this naturally and with i suspect no malice aforethought (or anything else aforethought at all) is in a sense supportive of the hopes of humanity -- apparently ignorance breeds the nonsense on its own, no "dark lizard" behind it all needed.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:56 asciilifeform: mod6: i dun like to discourage folx, esp. mircea_popescu's pupil, who is evidently pouring sweat into the job. but i expected the items would get better with time, and imho so far they haven't
mircea_popescu: sadly there's no simple/just-add-water way out of "i've been ignoring this whole thing for x interval, wut nao". nao -- pick up from where you left off, what.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 15:50 phf: asciilifeform: you're just spreading fud, i don't know where to start unpacking this conversation
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 15:36 phf: asciilifeform: but if you want a full "v replacement and i don't want to think about none of that" then just use esthlos's item. i believe he has a working keccak already
asciilifeform: diana_coman's test jig ( i did not modify it except for the dest ip ) currently fires 1 / sec.
asciilifeform: tho as i understand it, they did not account for the 8 byte udp header size, and thereby still fragged.