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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, with the diff that it's ~1MB of headerola, took coupla months to reproduce.
asciilifeform: *for winblowz
asciilifeform in old salt mines built winblowz, incl. w7, device drivers, with stock gcc, worked just fine, merely had to reproduce the header liquishit
asciilifeform: esp. given that gnat, like other gcc, builds for winblowz just fine if one insists.
asciilifeform: ( these --- do apparently exist! tho i presently have nfi who uses'em, and for what )
asciilifeform: i wasn't even immediately aware that gnat existed, thought that one had to get some TB-sized winliquishit from lockheed etc in order to ada.
asciilifeform: phf: good % of the barf was actually my own, thing struck me as gnarly and with all the wrongest kinds of pedigree initially
asciilifeform: diana_coman: when i went , all the good profs were already grey and weary, so not particularly surprising, i expect they died
asciilifeform: diana_coman: funnily enuff we also had here '1 lang/week' curriculum. tho i did learn that many yrs ago it was abolished at asciilifeform's sad old uni, in favour of iphonism etc
asciilifeform still has buncha rubbish written for borland tp7 somewhere on tape
asciilifeform: it used to be common
asciilifeform: diana_coman: funnily enuff, i also pascal in school
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman did time in heavy industry tho, possibly less allergic to ada flavour as result
asciilifeform: diana_coman's stomach does seem to be stronger than most folxs'
asciilifeform: http://mocky.org/Log-Reference-Why-Ada/ <<
asciilifeform: Mocky beat me to it
asciilifeform: ( does errybody recall how many barf bags they went through when asciilifeform 1st suggested ada ?? )
asciilifeform: if we had irons with bounds checkers, i would not even have dug up ada.
asciilifeform: we dun have iron with bounds checkers
asciilifeform: c irons force this dynamic
asciilifeform: so they dun entirely not-exist
asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=51 is example of useful (if you will) proggy written 100% in standard cl ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a short time when those folx played at cl, 2005-9 roughly, but long gone nao
asciilifeform: fwiw i prototype algos in cl, which later turn into ada , but this is 'harem' rather than forum
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'community' is archaeological artifact, afaik we're ~100% of what's actually left
asciilifeform: phf: part of this is that we're stuck with 'fast pdp' c-irons
asciilifeform: hey, viet cong picked up dead 'd' batteries dropped by ameri-grunts, filled bamboo stick with'em , coupla dozen added up to 1 set of live ones for radio, supposedly
asciilifeform: 'they use even the sqeal'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ikr ? the mpi thing, straight from my garbage can
asciilifeform: on micro
asciilifeform: mine was conceived with angle 'when we make wallets' and so cl was ruled out, can't gc
asciilifeform: ftr 1 of the many ruins that litter asciilifeform's hdds is a half-written ada ecc ( pre-ffa )
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could, for example, use diana_coman's. or a modified permissive ffa. or even the thing that came with gnat. but in any case would be 'sapper errs once' component, gotta be bug-free
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'own ecc' naturally gotta be made, q is on what numtron
asciilifeform: can be written from scratch ( whoever thinks that he can do it faster than asciilifeform's ffa, is welcome to try, i promise to take off hat ) or on ffa, either.
asciilifeform: to be clear, we're talking about the eccolade numerics stack
asciilifeform: the one where http://therealbitcoin.org/trb-howto.html : 0x12) Get http://deedbot.org/deed-422651-4.txt : name it 'openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz.asc'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so idea here is 1st to cut the classic tar to 'what used in trb' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's old observation re the dacia air filter still holds tho, potentially replacing the hairball in trb with a 100% correct numeric set, will result in a forkable.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu gives signal that we're fucking done with the old flintlock pistols, then i'ma start welding on ffa in trb as soon as the former is battlefield-ready.
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: !#s father's pistols
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: !#s grandfather's pistols
asciilifeform: ( was at c3 iirc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i proposed this several yrs ago, but it was mircea_popescu who then reminded about air filters in old dacia
asciilifeform: well yes, eventually all of trb oughta turn into 'our correct coad'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik only in trb is needed
asciilifeform: there's 1 of those in e.g. moscow
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i.e. the kind where somebody had to climb into the gears erry 6mo to change the frayed windlass rope ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct, theoretically may be movable ( tho as i recall, you currently have 1 disk, and if you're planning on filling the other disk holes -- and disks are available -- may as well install clean )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ( with minor variation -- xor instead of add , imho a human oughta know what is xor )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i stole the idea from there, yes
asciilifeform: diana_coman, trinque : it isn't clear to me that 'move existing gentoo to cuntoo' without reformat of hdd is worth attempting -- non-musltronic dyn-linked sad gentoo bins will all barf once the pertinent libs are removed ( and they dun belong, imho, on a cuntoo box )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maybe in 2015 'walking', today mostly flailing like beheaded chicken
asciilifeform: what's he even got remaining to donate.
asciilifeform: lol, didn't carmack lose his shirt to patent troll not long ago
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: !#s bob beck
asciilifeform: !#s bobbeck
asciilifeform: ( ideally we'd simply keep the logic demanded by trb and burn the rest. but dunno that anyone has the free hands for this presently )
asciilifeform: it is currently in the beta cuntoo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an 'openbsd-branded' item, 'libressl', quite similar to the hairball carried along in trb but weighing slightly less
asciilifeform: dun talk, as such, no moar, sits in a flower pot, 'talkers' do the talkin' 'for him'
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, de raadt pupated into his mushroom form ( like rms ) yrs ago
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they've done ~nuffin in years, we're discussing an archaeological artifact
asciilifeform: a+++
asciilifeform: phf: iirc trinque removed all network-dependency
asciilifeform: if said bugs affect trb logic, than it oughta be in trb asap ; if they do not, then not clear to me why better
asciilifeform: for that matter, why does cuntoo need to include own sslism, afaik the only proggy that hard-depends on having one is trb
asciilifeform: ( i dun have any notion that one is 'better' than the other, in either direction, but imho the matter deserves discussion )
asciilifeform: trinque: now that i think about it -- what was the logic for including the alt-ssl in cuntoo, vs trb's frozen thing ?
asciilifeform nearly said ' 'so far hasn't forked' aint exactly a scientific standard ' but we aint got a better
asciilifeform: thing still displays entire coadbase, so i'd still much rather have it, than nuffin at all. but it is frustrating.
asciilifeform: and so inlined routines occasionally end up invisible to it
asciilifeform: i presently suspect that this is because gnathtml uses gcc's AST for the input data, rather than the raw proggy text ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( it is certainly indexed in the place where it lives -- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/fz_basic__adb.htm#72_13 -- but for some reason not in ffa_calc__adb... )
asciilifeform: ( e.g. in above example -- FFA_FZ_Get_Head is not linkable, and several hrs of dig failed to tell me why )
asciilifeform: it also mysteriously fails to concord the occasional symbol
asciilifeform: gnathtml has some pretty serious missing parts tho, mainly that it is impossible to link to individual lines of proggy unless they contain concordance'd symbols
asciilifeform: still mighty useful. ( presently i'm continuing with the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/ffa_calc__adb.htm thing, to fill that niche )
asciilifeform: so i ended up getting hung up on the coad-eating logics
asciilifeform: i was aiming for a kind of hybrid of jurov's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/?v=makefiles and what phf has today
asciilifeform intended to release a thing somewhat like it with the orig 2015 vtron, but asciilifeform's wwwtronics was not equal to the task, never made a usable incarnation of item
asciilifeform: it is unspeakably helpful.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is very very fond of phf's http://btcbase.org/patches , refers to it several times just about erry day
asciilifeform: ty
asciilifeform: phf: imho the correct thing to do, if you have 2 bitwise-identical patches , is to display only 1 ( i'd prefer it be the one using my naming scheme, given as it is my proj, but i also won't cry if it's the other ) -- and the sigs that match it ☟︎
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen lulz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5wqxB/?raw=true << rathead, centos , debian, privesc
asciilifeform: ( so long as the sigs validate and hashes line up, names are immaterial )
asciilifeform: phf's mechanism did The Right Thing tho, a++, ty phf
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: which patch did it say picked up, that was already there ?
asciilifeform: phf: loox correct, to naked eye
asciilifeform looks
asciilifeform gently prods phf , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874673 pleez ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: eventual convergence of ye olde 'emerge' and hypothetical 'vmerge', also of interest.
asciilifeform: ( given a musltronic cuntoo, the 'rotor'-descended buildroot process for trb is theoretically redundant )