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mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, i could (and did) pick up women i'd share a bed with on the street, some short two decades ago. even less.
mircea_popescu: yes, but in a different aspect ; that concerned principally the happenstance that labour is no longer a thing, much like phlogiston is no longer a thing.
mircea_popescu: but the more abstract world of representation (aptly described not by the computer, but by the trilema-style referencing, which is more fundamental a computer than the computer itself for the needs of this conversation) suddenly exploded all that. like when you lift a rug, suddenly all sorts of scum was exposed that before passed.
mircea_popescu: to put the matter into proper formalization : the old world, of mechanical contraptions that could be physically debugged, was relatively simple and moreover in certain senses and on some dimensions very strictly constrained. consequently it was possible to build exam-taking rulebooks that allowed a large population of morons to build up, and "work", passibly well, as church wardens, ship righters, what have you.
mircea_popescu: the "internet=blue ie/facebook icon" exact diametrical of http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/#comment-126055 is not even the whole story.
mircea_popescu: there is that ; but more common with older folks seems a deep and fundamental ineptitude with the programmable machines
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'millenials' are generally subhuman ; ( as per mircea_popescu's 'souls' portrait ); older folx, on other hand, have deep scars of 'who am i to think that i can own anything, the takers always find a way to take it'
mircea_popescu: and god only had a few million souls at the peak available and the women kept pouring out children, and well...
diana_coman: the take was take a feather or whatever it was
asciilifeform: ~that~ was a given
asciilifeform: diana_coman: take which. on my home planet the story had a 3way fork.
mircea_popescu: in other news, /me is working on a monstrous, 70k+ words as it stands nao, work of adnotation.
mircea_popescu: not exactly, a lot of foreign derps in bitcoin, esp early 2010s.
asciilifeform: a moar malodorous set of derps than the 'mainstream' 'btc komyoonity', prolly to this day does not exist.
mircea_popescu: i confess it's a strange way to go about things.
mircea_popescu: yes well... for a while it quite was.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there was a lot of metals dealing for coin back in the day.
mircea_popescu: ^ this was a thing. "bitcoin jesus" was a thing. all sorta lulz lie buried in the everlog.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's do a 0cost experiment, why dontcha float the idea to the dc people, see reaction.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, "I helped run plenty of conferences. I do have an idea. The priority is to make sure you have a conference that runs well enough that people don't notice the problems, and that everyone who paid to attend it gets their money's worth. Who actually paid to make it happen is a bit lower on the priority."
mircea_popescu: i still recall with amusement rassah's story about how he bought a bunch of coins without bf's permission out of their retirement fund, at 8!! and sold it all! at 13!!! RICH NAO FOREVER, because will pay off car.
asciilifeform: there were a number of these, i think
asciilifeform: ( seems to have been a trader ? )
a111: Logged on 2013-03-11 07:01 dub: there is thousands of retarded children with a handfull of hackers hiding behind them
ave1: Also the first time that I tried to rebuild a kernel, first try needed 15G of harddisk space and created a 3G kernel (now down to 500mb, which compresses to about 12 or so, but still)
asciilifeform: i did not expect to ever again need a 32bit arm gcc, but there it is.
ave1: yes, support should be there (one of the most irratating problems I had was with the config.guess scripts not includig a particular system)
asciilifeform: ( where ideally i can put in any arch supported by gcc backend, and get a that-flavoured gnat out )
asciilifeform: ave1: afaik adacore already distributed a 32bit one, might want to look to see what it was made of
asciilifeform: ( arm8 apparently includes a 32bit 'M0' coprocessor, 'for power manager' )
asciilifeform: ave1: didja ever get a arm32 gnat built ? turns out, 'uboot' needs one, to build
ave1: trinque, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-03#1847167, yes turned out the git that cuntoo uses did not support https and my ufw settings did not allow an outgoing git port number. Now it fails it a bit further along with dependencies on gnupg-2.2, but I think this was a known breakage... ☝︎
asciilifeform: this kind of thing shows up whenever a broken basis is picked .
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 14:44 mircea_popescu: but yes, evidently the (undiagnosed ; are these people morons ?!) problem is that "anything could be a firewall rule", ie, this is a place where the scripting turns upon the whole machine state. which makes me suspoect there's a more fundamental error at work somewhere (possibly the very attempt to build a pantsuit net, allcomers-based, possibly something else), but until we get a fix on that...
mircea_popescu: i have a pile of old autos, they're a joy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: prolly a far cry from the master smiths of havana, who can fit toyota engine block into lada, with moskvich transmission
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform dreams of living in a thing where he could have pit, crane... << Paraguay!
asciilifeform dreams of living in a thing where he could have pit, crane...
asciilifeform: 'here, buy a 3k one on installment, it'll last 9 months, we promise'
mircea_popescu: "you know... the soviets had a website like that."
mircea_popescu: yeah, usg supply lines going to shit at a seemingly exponential rate
mircea_popescu: whether there is a hole there or isn't is an iffier problem. i am not overconcerned with it ; understand that wheever, in the großer generalstab or corporate boardroom, the story's always the same : "and we should send brigadier-general X to reduce the bulge" "it can't be fucking done, are you out of your mind ?!"
mircea_popescu: "yes it's true telco gear is mostly openbsd box with nics glued on ; but it's also true that is mostly old ; replacing it, when it happens, is mostly with nobusisms baked by the chinese to order, and it's a tough racket."
mircea_popescu: at least we managed to come to a narrative that stands to cursory examination.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but the question before you is, "have i actually sat down, thought this through, and it dun work" or is it a case of "my first impulse was so and so and now i'm stuck with it like any 9 yo" ?
asciilifeform: this being said, eventual getting off usg.net is a godly thing, and inescapable . but it aint a desperate pre-req to routing sanity, imho.
mircea_popescu: and you're not in a position to lay cable just yet
asciilifeform: i daren't to presume to know whether biznis-requisite, that's a 100% mircea_popescu-grade puzzler.
asciilifeform: the box that entirely displaces the traditional ip routing system, and instead worx on signed packets, at GB/s, ~can~ , i suspect, be made with off-the-shelf iron. but it is a different pill, i cannot argue that it directly replaces juniperism.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:29 asciilifeform: now what i ~have~ wanted to bake, for years nao, is a box with ~2~ jacks, that tests rsa sigs on specially-defined packets at line speed, and drops all the ones that dun pass. this is imho the Right Thing, for entirely curing the disease in question.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
asciilifeform: if problem is defined in such a way that i can honestly say that i have from what to make it, and can be made to work to spec -- will make. otherwise not.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847498 << iirc i answered this in the past, but this thread makes it even moar obvious what the pill is : make a hypertrophied ice40 (i.e. homogeneous lattice of gates.) with these, can bake alt-juniper, alt-pc, crypto, pretty much anyffing you like. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is almost certainly possible to razor a zero or even two, from the 'ratecard', if you can make friends in cn (or even tw, or kr)
mircea_popescu: if it can process 100Gp/s rather than juniper's mahahahaybe 10Gp, nobody cares it eats a kw.
asciilifeform: well yes, i've wanted 1 for ages. but if you add up the cost of a dozen of these, you could instead get equiv fabbed into single die.
asciilifeform: so we want to make and sell a cray-1 ?
asciilifeform: it is also pretty cramped sizewise (recall, i was not able to fit a single 4kbit adder into it)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:27 asciilifeform: trinque: 'competition' box routes 1G/s from 48 jacks, daisy-chains with 10GB/s snakes, compiles ip filter rules into 1mil+ gate fpga fabric. how do i bake a sucks-less without large fpga ? ( we dun have large fpga, tho we do have working tiny ones )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847373 << i got a bsd box right here btw ; cost me nothing, took in as junk. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this doesn't sound like more than a few hundred adalines.
asciilifeform: cuz it's a complicated mechanism.
asciilifeform: would need 1) fab capability 2) substantial time, unless mircea_popescu has a coupla qualified pairs of hands up his sleeve to assist
asciilifeform: it'd cost a couplea mil (orcbux)
mircea_popescu: so it's your expert oppinion you can't actually make a better one ?
asciilifeform: i suspect even reddit can use a clock, tell diff b/w 10G/s router and 1M/s
mircea_popescu: a ty
mircea_popescu: and no, they don't own a special-nic-foundry.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i must repeat, that i'd be lying if i claimed that i knew how to build a box that throws packets at even 1/5th the rate of the cheapest juniper, out of off-the-shelf components.
asciilifeform: a
mircea_popescu: like a social media "wish list", but for people who actually have some money.
mircea_popescu: waffle list here being "well... do we need it ? maybe we need it ? let's get it ? wait a while ? hmm ?"
asciilifeform: what's a waffle list
mircea_popescu: i have not yet encountered a dc which didn't have a waffle list composed mostly of junishits.
asciilifeform: i admit i dun grasp, why, having already fronted 500k to usg.juniper, they would entertain a 'try my homemade router plz'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's do a 0cost experiment, why dontcha float the idea to the dc people, see reaction. ☟︎
asciilifeform: now what i ~have~ wanted to bake, for years nao, is a box with ~2~ jacks, that tests rsa sigs on specially-defined packets at line speed, and drops all the ones that dun pass. this is imho the Right Thing, for entirely curing the disease in question. ☟︎
diana_coman: from a tech point of view the trouble with "better by delta" is that you are then stuck dealing with the remaining shit anyway; but sometimes it's still the way to go
asciilifeform: trinque: 'competition' box routes 1G/s from 48 jacks, daisy-chains with 10GB/s snakes, compiles ip filter rules into 1mil+ gate fpga fabric. how do i bake a sucks-less without large fpga ? ( we dun have large fpga, tho we do have working tiny ones ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i dunno how he's supposed to be from odessa, don't got not a gypsy bone in his body.
trinque: asciilifeform: I think your mind is set on correctness, which blocks a pragmatic "better" which is only defined by delta with competition
mircea_popescu: more's like "cant steal ~half the gold from this bank until someone comes with a credible plan to also steal the bricks from the walls"
asciilifeform: trinque: am i thick, and mircea_popescu right ? how do i bake a 'sucks less than juniper' while being stuck with off-the-shelf nic ic ?
asciilifeform: open one of those junipers, there's a vlsi turd that actually does the routing.
mircea_popescu: BUT A BETTER ONE.
asciilifeform: if you dun have this, you build a juniper whether wanted to or not.
asciilifeform: the buyer's entire objective is to scratch a usg-kowtow itch by blowing those six figs on 'best practice' witch repellent.
mircea_popescu: this has the essential veblen good blessing, being a hardware box.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for all i know, they have a microshit antivirus also plugged in. should we then also attempt 'better one' of these as well ?
mircea_popescu: just make a better one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's expand on this. what specific functionality would you want in such a device ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, since we're apparently not selling the rockchip plant to pizarro : how about you build it and make it a "cyberflood master 9000" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you understand, item by cisco/friends not amounting to a rockchip plant sells to usg.tards for 100k sorta money.
asciilifeform: and moreover, they are a problem with the basic design of (for the most part) tcp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: serious floods are a problem not at the level of our rack, but upstream
mircea_popescu: i misspoke. i meant "this is a sorry reason to write code."
mircea_popescu: this is a sorry reason to have things.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman thinking logically : either this is a problem or it isn't. if it is a problem, then it should be handled upstream not by server.
asciilifeform: i do know that many people's pest control setups rely on iptables, and so all new pizarro customers will get it by default. but imho it is a bitter pill.