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phf: asciilifeform: well, in a sense that it wasn't immediately obvious that read-delimited-list is a fundamental concept
asciilifeform: but to place it in the code, destroys the homoiconicity.
asciilifeform: now i COULD see mapping a key on kbd to 'shit out enough ) to balance'
phf: true, or the fact that simple half a second "match opening paren" is pain, when you're typing )))) in a row
asciilifeform: phf: i don't see how this is needed for fexprs
asciilifeform: or boxes fast enough to reindent 1000-line+ blocks every time the carriage return is hit
asciilifeform: e.g., colour terminal, where you can colourize parens
asciilifeform: to be fair, they did not have some of the things we have
phf: i think it was a thing in vogue at some point, back when fexprs were still in the back of everyones minds
phf: i was looking at some mit cadr source and they do some totally insane stuff with parenthesis closing/opening
asciilifeform: (to explicit the ast)
asciilifeform: i dare say it removes most of the fucking point of using sexprs in the first place
asciilifeform: and perhaps one of the few things ~not~ worth taking from it, imho.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551486 << was it interlisp or maclisp that let you close multiple parenthesis with a single final one, like (do ((foo 1) (bar 2)) (blah (foo) == (do ((foo 1) (bar 2)) (blah (foo))) ☝︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for some odd reason i cannot picture lafond in my mind as anything other than the character in the pathetic film 'the wrestler'.
asciilifeform: PeterL: aha, the pieces from the age of the typewriter are, interestingly, easier.
PeterL: as far as mathematical/scientific papers go, asciiifying this one was not too bad.
asciilifeform: (at least this is what my emulated mircea_popescutron is currently running with)
asciilifeform: i suspect that when mircea_popescu wakes up he will at least feel temptation to write up a 'modern school of comp sci' thing where 'you must find a paper and asciify it...' etc
asciilifeform: it is a curiously-inverted but still quite medieval situation, today we rescue ~paper~ by turning it into ascii.
phf: trinque: i added your sig to btcbase
jurov force feeds deedbot clay tables
PeterL: that was essentially my task, getting deedbot to eat paper
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> deedbot does not eat vellum << He might if you ask trinque to feed it to him
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/colombian-electorate-votes-to-continue-war-against-farc/ << Qntra - Colombian Electorate Votes To Continue War Against FARC
asciilifeform: the parallels with medieval copyists invite themselves...
PeterL: I grok it much more now than before task
PeterL: but it also gave a chance to thouroughly read paper
asciilifeform: and i cannot help but wonder, did PeterL end up grokking the paper in the process of massaging it
asciilifeform: sounds like titanic labour
PeterL: well, I copy/pasted out of pdf, then with bare hands had to fix just about every symbol (and for some reason it lost all the "a"s)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551510 << neato PeterL -- did you do this with bare hands ?! ☝︎
adlai: "The value of /= is true if no two numbers are the same in value; otherwise it is false." http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_eq_sle.htm
shinohai: jurovs's favorite tar.gz double-clicker from yesterday just asked me if he could just wget all his dependencies.
PeterL: yeah, that makes sense.
mircea_popescu: PeterL for the record, traditionally "not equal" is marked as != not /= because ! is the logical negation and also because / has other meanings ; while "less than or equal" is =< or <= or somesuch, not _<. why invent unexpected symbology ?
trinque: guy even sent me a detailed email in response to a query.
trinque: I encounter asciilifeform, phf, or gabriel_laddel tracks semi-frequently :P
trinque: phf: my google tentacles found that in foreign lands
mircea_popescu: incidentally, at some point you gotta do the "sorry for your lues"
trinque: heya phf, did you ever take on that sbcl arm port (and which arm was it) ? ☟︎
adlai: doncha remember, "sl_ seriouslt this is not mircea ... i saved the emails last year from when mircea donated for my thinkpad"
adlai: mircea_popescu: cheers! now i, too, can tell #cat-v that "there's no way that's the REAL mircea because ..."
mod6: trinque: good! looks to be a busy week.
asciilifeform: 'No FUCKING Windows updates! No VIRUSES! No blue screens. Not even a "Guru Meditation" or 3 bombs... Just a working horse. That's what a computer supposed to be for you.'
trinque: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-October/000237.html << seems like the ml eats "Re: " at the front of a message
shinohai: http://archive.is/X4eIQ <<< a poor copycat of http://trilema.com/2016/my-first-bitcoin-or-how-do-i-get-some-satoshi/, 4 of the entires are the exact faucets trilema warns of dicking around with.
asciilifeform: mepian: what i want to make is a ZERO-closed-vendor-turd machine, among other things. and no existing fpga gives you this.
a111: Logged on 2014-12-11 01:52 asciilifeform: decimation: notice that all known fpga manufacturers (xilinx, altera, lattice, a few others) have the same business model
a111: Logged on 2015-06-17 13:17 asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 13:19 mepian: after reading about the plight of asciilifeform trying to implement a driver for gigabit NIC http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544183 I wonder if rolling your own NIC on FPGA in this fashion https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:19005/FULLTEXT01.pdf would be less insane
asciilifeform: mepian: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551507 << please read the xilinx threads . ☝︎☟︎
PeterL: ^ I converted lamport paper to ascii, took some hand cranking to clean up after the machine gave it a try.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 17:36 asciilifeform: i hunted for years and found what imho is the simplest GB/s-capable nic, the rt8168. here is the linux driver, https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/tree/master/src
mepian: after reading about the plight of asciilifeform trying to implement a driver for gigabit NIC http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544183 I wonder if rolling your own NIC on FPGA in this fashion https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:19005/FULLTEXT01.pdf would be less insane ☝︎☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/a-guide-for-torturing-cats-recently-voted-most-likely-to-psychopath-article-on-trilema-by-anonymous-and-otherwise-anodyne-romanian-speaking-derps/ << Trilema - A guide for torturing cats. Recently voted most likely to psychopath article on Trilema by anonymous and otherwise anodyne Romanian speaking derps.
mircea_popescu: and in other workplace training, http://66.media.tumblr.com/888cc827651ff69149b312944b2d5d75/tumblr_mf7aci4gaY1rx0ocqo1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that magenta thing had me in stitches though. masterfully done. << tyvm
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Choppied that piece up a bit.
mepian: I was reading Trilema for a while and decided to visit you here
mepian: Hello and thanks for the voice
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1sIY
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/10/02/on-the-ultimate-justification-of-the-ethics-of-private-property-by-hans-hermann-hoppe-adnotated-part-4/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, adnotated. Part 4.
mircea_popescu: that magenta thing had me in stitches though. masterfully done.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Hillary Rodham-Clinton after putting the few remaining working Americans in a basket labelled deplorables during the weekend her legs buckled at Ground Zero, was discovered to have earlier alleged that many young American leftists were basement dwellers." << huh ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this is weird orc lisp
thestringpuller decides to finally learn lisp.
shinohai: Yeah those are definitely fix-a-flat boobs
shinohai: Although this picture appears free of intravenous drugs.
shinohai: I'm detecting a theme here.
asciilifeform: phf: there is 'the cruel hunters' but it is by 'esltards' iirc and not especially great
phf: i kind of want to read an entire book about this Dirlewanger fella
asciilifeform: 'Система YLisp использует динамический контекст для tag-меток и имен блоков. Как следствие, в лексическом замыкании сохраняются лишь лексические связи переменных (и лямбда-выражение). Отсутствуют также лексические функции и макросы (flet, macrol
phf: from the link, http://www.ich.dvo.ru/~nmr/ylisp/
a111: Logged on 2016-10-02 20:59 asciilifeform still floored by the discovery that mccarthy spoke fluent ru and argued with maths folks there in '60s
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-02#1551417 << great find, i've not seen any mentions of lisp in my explorations of retro su technology ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they're pretty great to watch ; sort-of like spending some time with the "the official transcaucasia puskin poetry club" and their literary criticism of last year's literary mags.
mircea_popescu: n somewhat other news, http://www.evz.ro/un-interviu-de-pomina-serghei-lavrov-cabotinul-acuza-sua-ca-nu.html (entirely obscure romanian "expert" of the usg.nato.romania.experts indirection has... WATCHED TV! and has oppinions! as to how reality is! and things! consensus! international community!
mircea_popescu: but wait, there's more! http://66.media.tumblr.com/9b88d432a27f6ee20b646ebbbc2f5c3a/tumblr_n7kcuwG1tB1t8btbqo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Sign needs qr and "Monero accepted" at the bottom
mircea_popescu: originally i thought it was coke and speed that came in 1/8 oz
shinohai knows of no other drug in local dialect referred to by that unit of measure
mircea_popescu: i thought you heard them lol
jhvh1: shinohai: weights and measures - Tweaker.org: <http://www.tweaker.org/crystal101/weights.html>; weights and measures - Tweaker.org: <http://www.tweaker.org/crystal101/weights.html>; How much is in an eight ball of meth ? - Quora: <https://www.quora.com/How-much-is-in-an-eight-ball-of-meth>
mircea_popescu: i meant the meth not the dongle
shinohai: I think it's an old gsm phone
mircea_popescu: how much does the crap go for ?
shinohai: The joys of listening to your neighbors buy crystal meth using your sdr dongle
mircea_popescu: nono, ty.
shinohai: ty mircea_popescu for your generous contribution to future crayon fund.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-september-2016-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), September 2016 Statement
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell adlai That looks like great material for your personal blog! Pls publish!
shinohai: oh yeah they require login to see trust ratings
mircea_popescu: in which we also find that <blockquote><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"> als dun work. because why the fuck would anything work.
mircea_popescu: in which we find that <blockquote style="word-wrap:break-word;"> doesn't work. because why would it!
shinohai: Is this badge of honor?
shinohai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=11425 "Frank and thoughtful technical expert. I have run unreviewed code by Pieter on systems with access to large amounts of Bitcoin."
asciilifeform still floored by the discovery that mccarthy spoke fluent ru and argued with maths folks there in '60s ☟︎