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deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-september-2016-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2016 Statement

shinohai: It's Pieter Wuille's death certificate, that'll be 1 BTC plox

PeterL: might be random noise, might be top secret leak, who knows?

mircea_popescu: da fuck is that lol. starting your own segwit altcoin ?

PeterL: changing the hash algo - one of those little things which should be in the "everything you should know when you start using a computer" list

a111: Logged on 2014-10-16 14:00 mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256

mircea_popescu: PeterL yes ; and you should. everyone should ; this is a recurring topic, so plox : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-16#877599 ☝︎

PeterL: darn hidden files ... thanks shinohai

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dunno man, can't say i try even

PeterL: is there a way to make pgp use something other than sha1 for clearsigning?

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E7AC0EEF980D94B18797FD2B95C091C4EAC05B15C9FCB329825F05B81B8D903 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.245 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21B9669858203080326DB86F3AB1B88D51F892D38F17EA587F71640F604BA7AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.247 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C961D62D59B78442DB2FA4C4ABC4CE874FE0E95418BBDA01785049DB58B02591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.12 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F

thestringpuller: Gotta figure out how you are able to manage the Napoleon sleep schedule.

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: sorry for missing your message I was ptfo by then.

mircea_popescu: i thought metal is extremely visible in electron microscopy

asciilifeform: (rom will be difficult to read passively, and the most practical way would be to restore whatever antifuses they blew that prevent debugging of the fritz core, and attach debug probe.)

asciilifeform: ftr, if the amd turd is anything like other recent similar, you will also need ion beam machine

mircea_popescu: nah, this zimbabwe is like pre-collapse soviets. govt pays for it, you use it for beer.

asciilifeform: (in mircea_popescu's zimbabwe, it could be the microscope that is expensive, or even unobtainable other than by boat)

asciilifeform: as often is the case, it is ~space~ that is the expensive piece, in this particular zimbabwe.

asciilifeform: and fuck, i would buy one right now, if i had where to put !

asciilifeform: if i were paying by hour, it may well add up to most of the cost of the instrument.

PeterL: presumably if you are paying by hour to use you are not sneaking?

asciilifeform: (and the analogy, sadly, falls down, consider how many autos there are, and how many - microscopes.)

asciilifeform: how do you sneak a month of instrument time ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this would be great for reddit. "Hi. I live in <ZIP> and I need access to {list} instrument in order to explore the AMD chip so and so. Anyone know anyone ?"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform per-hour cost of car with driver (another ~70k item) is about 100 bux give or take. youget teh idea.

asciilifeform: and i am quite uncertain whether in this pesthole there even ~exists~ the requisite instrument.

a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 10:49 adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553120 << so this is actually incorrect; should miners stop respecting the P2SH softfork, these coins will suddenly become a lot more spendable than before. anybody who can reproduce the input script preimage could spend them, even if they don't know data which would make that preimage script validate

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553189 << read what was being said. i do not discuss the matter in outside terms. should WE stop allowing 3-lead addresses, all coins found there will be gone. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: at any rate, it isn't as if i needed 10 minutes with the thing.

mircea_popescu: then wonder wtf is wrong with them. well... how about "they didn't suck any 30yo dick when they were 16."

asciilifeform: i suspect they are slowly phasing in 'dude X was in place Y at time T' anti-hooliganism/generic preparation for usgschwitz tracking systems.

PeterL: just find grad student who has access, offer to slip him some cash

mircea_popescu: how to produce an esltard ? keep kids isolated among themselves with a steady diet of cancerous shit from idiots like what's his face

asciilifeform: PeterL: that probably isn't it, because there are still stinking hobos in the computer labs.

PeterL: or making the precious snowflakes feel insecure

asciilifeform: fwiw when i was a very, very paying customer, there was still no access to microscope.

mircea_popescu: ie, pointing and laughing at whatever "rape" "black lives matter" "occupy wallstreet" etc fashion of the day ?

mircea_popescu: weird. in yurp you can taxi pretty much any and all uni gear.

asciilifeform: (why - was a mystery, it still takes money)

asciilifeform: and i recently found that the dining hall can only be entered by folks with correct fingerprint.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the uni barely allows access to the motherfucking bus from the train station, for plebes.

asciilifeform: it is, likely, because usg does not like to use stolen key to sign its 'tailored victim' crud, far too attributable

mircea_popescu: doesn't your local uni allow access to a microscope ?

asciilifeform: though if i could get at the rom, betcha it will not be necessary to break the rsa key. there is some unwritten rule whereby the fritz sig authenticators are always porous.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553181 << i half-expected one or more of'em to pop. but they did not. ☝︎

adlai handwaves aside the issue of parsing an the format beginning with a 3; once in the blockchain, these addresses are just: [op_hash160 <preimage> op_equal], which is a valid script for clients going all the way back to satoshi

a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:48 mircea_popescu: currently some miners process, eg, 3-leading bitcoin addresses. while that lasts, trb can send money to you. once it goes away - can send no longer, resulting in some lost bitcoin (practically, sent to unspendable address)

adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553120 << so this is actually incorrect; should miners stop respecting the P2SH softfork, these coins will suddenly become a lot more spendable than before. anybody who can reproduce the input script preimage could spend them, even if they don't know data which would make that preimage script validate ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:26 asciilifeform: i don't grasp how this kind of thing can work without being a hardfork

adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553109 << it's done as a soft-fork. the transactions sending to&from P2SH addresses are valid for all nodes, except that miners enforce an additional constraint before confirming spends from such addresses: the preimage of the address must ~also~ execute as a valid script ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 04:47 asciilifeform: what do you use these for, again, mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553161 << what, you mean other than this ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 03:54 trinque: from now on I'm gonna have a pang of "OH SHIT, WAS IT THE AMD KEYS?!" every time there's a phuctor rss

a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 02:26 asciilifeform: the thing i do not understand is, how does the thing not fork? say i fire up a prbtron and prbsend to A. then fire up trbtron and send same coin to B.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553121 << miners won't mine the 2nd send is what prevents. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: because i invented a new manner of tying her hands behind her back and fucking her standing during the weekend

mircea_popescu: spent the past four hours at the fucking hospital italiano,

lobbes: but I guess you gotta weed through the derps to see if any will stick

a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 04:48 asciilifeform: i cannot picture any use for them, try as i might.

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553162 << my understanding is that eulora n00bs have value in that they can yield lower-quality raw materials that players with higher skills cannot, and there's a current n00b shortage ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552971 << i dun get, why not steal the plaintext shitmail upstream with echelon etc.? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 23:15 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyoen going to the coreboot conference in berlin ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1553050 << what's the draw? phreee wagner 'n cyanide ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: other than biodiesel.

asciilifeform: i cannot picture any use for them, try as i might. ☟︎

asciilifeform: what do you use these for, again, mircea_popescu ☟︎

fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin

asciilifeform: we'll be throwing in intel also.

asciilifeform: and why else do you think i put'em in, trinque .

trinque: from now on I'm gonna have a pang of "OH SHIT, WAS IT THE AMD KEYS?!" every time there's a phuctor rss ☟︎

asciilifeform: 8ball will keep makin' the rubble bounce.

trinque: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ << this "zenrio" has shown up before

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5377DC3F52C67DB02FB2F4CBC7391DDD471AF66B9AFF37F4A5FB782434DC1748 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 99916434751733729770393647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shell Arkell <shell@zenrio.net>; '

asciilifeform: quoted this specifically for him.

trinque: adlai check it out; there's intelligence in booze.

asciilifeform: pirits and the forests for unconventional allies.'

asciilifeform: elsewhere, 'It is indeed a great folk song, and although I don't know this as a fact, it seems to have been inspired by a certain depressive tendency surrounding alcohol. Many people don't quite understand this, but alcohol is an intelligence, along with all other vegetable derivatives and extracts. This isn't negative, but you can definitely tell the difference between a sober German musician and the ones who tread into bars for s

jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2xuq2/?raw=true !

asciilifeform: i could work out the details from prb src, but am loathe to

asciilifeform: possibly answer is, trb thinks i sent it to neverneverland ?

asciilifeform: the thing i do not understand is, how does the thing not fork? say i fire up a prbtron and prbsend to A. then fire up trbtron and send same coin to B. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: currently some miners process, eg, 3-leading bitcoin addresses. while that lasts, trb can send money to you. once it goes away - can send no longer, resulting in some lost bitcoin (practically, sent to unspendable address) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your trb node is not capable to send money from derpy addresses ; which is ok because it's also not able to send to them. other people are more than free to do whatever the fuck they like.

mircea_popescu: trinque actually - wallet does notice the new inbound tx spending from one of its addresses.

mod6: "Estimated Value Sent" excludes known change addresses. For example, let's say we have a single transaction where address A sends 1 BTC to address B and also 1 BTC back to address A as change, then only 1 BTC is estimated to have been sent. Proper use of a new change address for each transaction (like all HD wallet implementations) obfuscate this feature.

mod6: and there is a special message there under Estimated Value Sent:

mod6: asciilifeform: huh, weird. looking at block '432901', the first one in the list @ mimisbrunnr that says 'Unable to decode...' is this txn: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/7affd7cd864678e0ed23a96841c8ef8a76f0df3521a230d94e9d9cf8e1e12dc7/

mod6: <+trinque> because highs transactions would be malleated to lows, and then the wallet wouldn't notice they confirmed << aha. right on.

asciilifeform: does it thereby follow that prb and trb have differing notions of how much coin is contained in A ?

shinohai: yup, same block shows p2sh addys on blokechain.info where "unable to decode" appears

asciilifeform: say i use prb to send C coin to addr A, via some strange method that results in ben_vulpes 'unable to decode'

asciilifeform: i don't grasp how this kind of thing can work without being a hardfork ☟︎

shinohai: likely one of the prb turds not supported