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shinohai: I still have nfi why it isn't sending you a gpgram on Sundays I
think not enough lines yet
to
trigger it
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: shinohai:
think you can add !~btc.blocks.raw or something
to
that effect with
the '&raw=true' at
the end of
the url ?
shinohai: guess I could change command
to mimi or something, whatever works
shinohai: ben_vulpes: I
took
the liberty of linking
to mimi from jhvh1 so one can quickly get page link
to specified block
ben_vulpes: you know, i'm not particularly inclined
to put
the kids face on my website.
pete_dushenski: y'know you can blog such
things (unless you're still on sm)
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: waldorf school does strange
things
to a kid
pete_dushenski: the high-s
tx in questions is still pending
to
this very day.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:05 shinohai: I
think pete_dushenski mentioned it, don't quote me on
that
though.
mircea_popescu: apparently
there's also a "bitch please, cut if before you fuck it"
mircea_popescu: from
the same source, "don't wrap it and
tap it ;
tape her and rape her."
trinque: that is
the correct amount of
thigh.
shinohai: amazing what appearing in
tabloid crypto news outlets does for your motivation
shinohai: heh it DOES appear
to be up now
BingoBoingo: Digging
through
the link-kive
takes
time and finess
shinohai: The lulzy part is a darknet market scamming for ~100k
though not impossible
twas just smash and grab
shinohai: qntra on
that incoming if BingoBoingo gets back
shinohai: I love
the bitch, even when she is cruel
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which, "the rise and fall of
the great powers" by kennedy is not altogether a bad book. esp. as "nobody could have predicted" in 1987)
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 19:50 mircea_popescu: every day PeterL migrates closer in my head
to
the absolute epitome of midwest.
mircea_popescu: use 3address ? you will lose your bitcoin. use prb ? you will lose your bitcoin. pick your poison, if it's
theirs it's marked.
mircea_popescu: adlai vomit is
the notion
that you can usg and survive. you can't. if you do anything whatsoever, without any exception at all,
that involves
them,
the only endgame for you is losing it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how
to make it simpler
than
that, so
there it is.
mircea_popescu: very simply put : if you use usg.vc.* which * means ANYHING,
then anything (which means ANYTHING!) you
touch, including your own money, your own bitcoin, your own penis, wife, life, whatever - can be destroyed in
the process. and probably will be.
adlai: what exactly is vomit? please, point out.... or don't. i'm sitting out of
this 'argument', have fun.
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] 2 Peter 2:22 :: But it is happened unto
them according
to
the
true proverb,
The dog is
turned
to his own vomit again; and
the sow
that was washed
to her wallowing in
the mire.
adlai: segwit is much worse (or better!)
than p2sh in
this regard, aiui, you don't even need
to find a preimage
to spend
them
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you manage
to come back
to
the same vomit. but it is vomit.
adlai: ok ok ok,
the issue was
thestringpuller's ambiguous use of "rubble", i assumed he meant
the coins
themselves, you're interpreting it as
the 'innovations'. w/e. it's impossible
to 'destroy' coins
through layers such as p2sh, segwit, drivechain, etc; it just makes coins less
tightly controlled, and more dependent on miner goodwill
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; other
than
this, asciilifeform is broadly correct re
the intended endgame of
these various "innovations".
mircea_popescu: you're confusing
topics.
the cut stone / non cut stone was a discussion of
the "contributions" in
the shape of ideas, code, etc ; not of
the way
they fucked up pre-existing, and unrelated
to
them, bitcoin
adlai: (much/all of satoshi's stash is p2pk, not p2pkh, so a secp256k1 compromise will make
those pennies ripe for
taking)
adlai: this is more
than satoshi's stash, and probably much easier
to salvage, should miners allow it
adlai: mircea_popescu: dude
there is
tons of 'cut stone' here. i don't expect you
to visit
the non-WoT p2sh.info, but i'll
tl;dr for you:
there are currently just over 1.8 million btc secured by
the goodwill of miners, and a nested ripemd160(sha256(x)) collision
mircea_popescu: every day PeterL migrates closer in my head
to
the absolute epitome of midwest.
☟︎ jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
PeterL: is "crippled" bad in
this case, or is it good in
that it is easier for us
to exploit for our own uses?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with
the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) ,
turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it,
the cpu is reputed
to have a drm fuse set.
deedbot: PeterL rated ben_vulpes 1 <<
the real bitcoin foundation
deedbot: PeterL rated mod6 1 <<
the real bitcoin foundation
deedbot: PeterL rated asciilifeform 1 <<
the real brains around here
deedbot: PeterL rated
trinque 1 << made deedbot
trinque: that shit is
terrible for you anyway.
PeterL: I guess I deserve it for going
to junk-food (heavy on
the junk) places
☟︎ shinohai: Plus,
they don't always clear
the lines properly leaving you with weird flavors at
time
PeterL: <rant> I hate
these single spigot fountain beverage dispensers popping up in all
the fast-food places (whoopty-doo you can have 1001 flavor combinations, I just want Coke!) so many flavors
to choose from, but none of
them come out right </rant>
shinohai: ah ben_vulpes ...
today it works for me! I blame a previously unknown debian gremlin
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller
the problem is
that it's not rubble. historically, rubble consists of chunks of cut stone, such as marble,
that are intrinsically valuable.
this shit is simply human filth ;
there wasn't much of a business in salvaging
the remains of executed camp inmates in nazi germany ; even
through
they went over it, burned and bone-ground
them later.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 16:43 mircea_popescu: ^ in a shocking development, nsa actually comits
to making a
thing!
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 17:05 adlai: sure, but
there are
two kinds of "unwind" here and i'm not sure which you mean. one is roughly "i will not honor a confirmed bitcoin
transaction which has inputs coming from a prevout
that looked like [op_hash160 <data> op_equal]", whereas
the other is "no miner will honor a block containing any such
transaction".
the former is easy,
the latter requires miner collaboration
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:45 shinohai: as with links, w3m also barfs on it
too
mircea_popescu: the whole interface-to-distributed-db
thing is broken, not just "wallets" or "accounts"
ben_vulpes: "addresses" are a murky
thing, i've discovered.
mircea_popescu: which is
the point here : using ANYTHING made by usg.vc.* is risky, and opens one
to various liabilities downstream. including among
them -
that you will be unwound.
mircea_popescu: if history is any guide, i manage
to gather miner support
to quash "internet entrepreneurs" of
the vc-aspirant variety a whole of a lot more often
than
the converse.
adlai: sure, but
there are
two kinds of "unwind" here and i'm not sure which you mean. one is roughly "i will not honor a confirmed bitcoin
transaction which has inputs coming from a prevout
that looked like [op_hash160 <data> op_equal]", whereas
the other is "no miner will honor a block containing any such
transaction".
the former is easy,
the latter requires miner collaboration
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and in general - "innovation" on
top of bitcoin is extremely risky an endeavour.
the item itself is
the heart of reaction ; and
the notion
that "nobody would dare" unwind
the "developments" of usg.tards runs into
the plain statement
that i certainly will.
adlai: "addresses"
tell a ~sender~ how
to build an output, so
that
the recipient can spend it later
mircea_popescu: fine. we release code which ignores
txn which involve 3-whatever addresses on
the in side ; everyone uses it ;
the end.
mircea_popescu: no ; we release code which ignores attempts
to spend 3-whatever addresses ; everyone uses it ;
the end.
adlai: or by "stop allowing 3-lead addresses" do you mean "we convince 'chinese conspirators'
to soft-fork disable op_equal"
mircea_popescu: adlai how would
the someone convert my copy of
the blockchain so
that payment would appear
to proceed from a 1-lead bitcoin address ?
mircea_popescu: and in further "holy shit broken linux" news : minigame is endeavouring
to keep snapshots of various distros
to mitigate
the fact
that
the shitheads in charge
tend
to break software for no reason.
to do
this, one needs dkpg, and dkpg-dev (not -devel, mind). which enforces arbitrary python and
httpd version requirements, because why
the fuck not.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 14:09 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553189 << read what was being said. i do not discuss
the matter in outside
terms. should WE stop allowing 3-lead addresses, all coins found
there will be gone.
adlai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553217 << i don't understand what you mean.
the only sense in which coins will be "gone" is
that whoever knows first
that miners stopped enforcing
the "op_eval", and knows preimages, can claim
the coins for
themselves; but
they're not 'gone' in
the sense of 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE
☝︎ mircea_popescu: ^ in a shocking development, nsa actually comits
to making a
thing!
☟︎