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Framedragger: i don't suppose anyone here has messed with android 'adopted' storage? (use sd card as internal encrypted android storage.) i'm trying to recover files from a half-broken 32GB sd card which has weirdo android-internal partitions and encryption.. oh god ☟︎
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/0WjCL << Taleb : "The problem with identity politics is that they are fully ignorant of, among other things, history. And they must be as blind visually as they are intellectually."
BingoBoingo: phf: Then go to store get vitriol. The kind we (as opposed to ether huffers) deal in is commonly sold as "Amazing liquid fire" drain cleaner.
Framedragger: certainly noted! assumed as much :) includes increased pessimism for funding OS projects (such as openbsd) etc i guess...
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 18:01 asciilifeform: dusman!! i had nfi that this persian word, known to half the planet, made it as west as ro
asciilifeform: and certainly not for other, orthogonal (or even, possibly, contradictory!) properties such as non-leakage and non-structurization
asciilifeform: y'know, sappers in popular imagination (and sometimes in life) actually clear mines, but just as often simply put little flat into the earth.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless - the argument as to neuron count is not directly mass ; it is parts. one DOES compare transistor counts.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
mircea_popescu: which is why we could properly qualify this complex as a memetic virus. it infects, and the host can feel it's infected, but can't prevent the infection.
asciilifeform: dusman!! i had nfi that this persian word, known to half the planet, made it as west as ro ☟︎
asciilifeform: the real megabux are, apparently, not even in 'data leakage prevention', as the earlier crackpottery is known, but in the yet (afaik) nameless ~detection of the turned~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally that nonsense is only superficially related to snowden. in practice it is an extension of the "artificial intelligence" used in "spam detection", especially as the doomed but desperate attempt at websites to fight the republican bots.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590218 << i cannot resist going back to this and giving it another whack of the spiked club. this variant definition of 'works', whereby things such as clim supposedly 'work', how would folks such as gabriel_laddel like if their cpu worked like this ? on and off, when weather is just right, and randomly melts on odd-numbered thursdays, and 'oh dontcha know you gotta jiggle the handle', and 'wtf did ☝︎
asciilifeform: or at the very least properly pwn the pnoje, it isn't as if this were especially arduous.
gabriel_laddel: all the pharmacy techs right now are running these "apps", which operate as a database interface to all the "copyright blah blah blah protected" pharama data
gabriel_laddel: As I said: blood is in the water - it's fun.
mircea_popescu: the padding pads the message just as the message pads the padding.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the statement is correct. to restate : 1. padding is defined as a function F (x, y) with x, y and F ∈ N such that 2. F is defined for all (x, y) pairs and that 3. given any set of boolean functions Ki(x) along with their values no Kj(y) can be constructed so their values are known besides K0(y) = true for K0(a) = 1 if a=y and 0 if a!=y and 4. given any set of boolean functions Ki(y) along with their values no Kj(x)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, the walker scheme doesn't seem too great. the theoretical objection is that it ~does~ introduce structure, through the convention that the walker moves from where it last moved. in practice though, run a few simulations over a 16bit message which you can then print as a 256x256 bitmap. your walker makes anthills basically.
mircea_popescu: "we have always been at war with fake news such as any item that is politically inconvenient today."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, the walker scheme doesn't seem too great. the theoretical objection is that it ~does~ introduce structure, through the convention that the walker moves from where it last moved. in practice though, run a few simulations over a 16bit message which you can then print as a 256x256 bitmap. your walker makes anthills basically. ☟︎
asciilifeform: you can generalize for n-dimensions, as mircea_popescu suggested earlier, similarly.
asciilifeform: as in, 0 net effect ?
mircea_popescu: and other strings are also just as neutral.
asciilifeform: because it is defined as simply the furthestmost '1' explored.
asciilifeform: (a tape is just as likely to go left as right , if fed from rng )
asciilifeform: as in, if i have a good idea as to what is the plaintext, i can verify my guess.
asciilifeform: as in, the cost.
asciilifeform: as in, it comes from a trng.
mircea_popescu: ok, let's go at it another insane way. suppose you pad the message by using... the message as the tape.
asciilifeform: fundamental problem here, is that the operation can be written as an equation
mircea_popescu: i will now use S as a tape for the automaton to be applied to T.
asciilifeform: i'm trying to write this as actual algo in my head
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i have no actual math to show, but intuitively it seems to me the above "take 64 bytes of rng, iterate hash over the first 60 last 4-times and then use that as tape to pad message, then put padded message + 64 bytes in question in rsatron" is practically useful and theoretically strong.
asciilifeform: not necessarily, you have tape as long as you like and simply rsa it in chunks of (keylen/2)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me ask you this : suppose the tape is byte-sized, and the 8 bits are as follows : 2 bits x movement ; 2 bits y movement ; 2 bits z movement ; stop and flip bits for a total of 8. the tape is now a space.
asciilifeform: as example,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it can in principle be as short as 3n
mircea_popescu: so wait, the plan is a) make integer ; b) convert to automaton tape ; c) use that tape as padding ?
asciilifeform: recall that you can express turing tape as diophantine eq.
asciilifeform: but yes, as a student it also 'felt like must have recursive solution'.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, FUCKGOATS www is getting regular hits from places such as honduras, panama, etc. via search-engine referrer. and i am beginning to suspect that these folx were looking for material concerning the fucking of ordinary goats.
asciilifeform: it is not a very promising problem as-stated imho. sorta like 'my pet mouse died, i want to resurrect it, i have this here industrial vivarium full of 10,001 live mice, how do i use them'
asciilifeform: is, e.g., mircea_popescu , burning with desire to work as american ambassador ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: In Attacking David Friedman , J Street Condemns Itself - Breitbart: <http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/12/20/attacking-david-friedman-j-street-condemns/>; J Street Tries to Raise Money off David Friedman Nomination: <http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/16/david-friedman-j-street-tries-raise-money/>; J Street Vehemently Opposes Nomination of David Friedman as US ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: o look, trump wants dm friedman as israel ambassador.
mircea_popescu: sure, as in any socialist totalitarian state, it is better to not even care about the worthless money ; and try and achieve positions of power in the necessary feudal structure.
asciilifeform: it was a toy given out as advertising gimmick
mircea_popescu: so then the same thing here as there ; this attribution issue is not useful to distinguish between the two methods.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with your algo, 'a' cannot produce the same thing as 'b', because their immediate antecedents were different.
asciilifeform: two d00dz simultaneously (as far as we know) shoot out (b)s that make cycle.
asciilifeform: which is same as not even using v at all, but signing the entire project again and again.
asciilifeform: if each patch nails down an explicit 'and on top of THIS' press sequence, it drags the entire universe behind it, all of a sudden there is no such thing as 'sibling', i.e. a thing that goes from same ancestor to a different but nonconflicting place.
mircea_popescu: right, which is what happens here. there's no such thing as "code", but only "x's code" even the same word "for" is not the same word.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 19:03 mircea_popescu: should be pretty evident that a dimension defined in terms of divisibility is very fundamentally not the same thing as the latin notion of dimension-as-extensibility.
mircea_popescu: and while he's incapacitated, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587343 << to briefly revisit the whole "greeks were actually smarter than you" thread : naive set theory (as expoused by, say, frege) runs into a problem known as russel's paradox : should the set of sets that don't include themselves include itself ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: note that "insert random garbage" has not actually been proposed as far as i know.
asciilifeform: and that this sequence could be as long as one could possibly like, 10,001 if we like.
mircea_popescu: mplemented as introducing a comment which references the previous item in the indexed set - but this is by no means the only, or the required, or standards-candidate implementation.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, two different solutions have been considered. one is to attach an outside clock to the process. this has the obvious disadvantage of attaching an outside clock to the process. the other is to modify the indexing process for the set, from the current "index is hash of textual content" to a more advanced "index is hash of textual content + its context". as an exemplary poc it was proposed that this change may be i
asciilifeform: just as bitcoin will still work when we rebake it with old balances and new clockwork.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for so long as you have the flame continuously burn, and at no point 'everyone died', it runs.
mircea_popescu: in any case, as described v becomes an actual bitcoin , very much in the sense of "slavegirl powered btc" - each "block" ie vpatch is mined etc. this de facto allows to have things such as a "development clock" for perhaps other usage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, your solution to cycles is to demand that no two patches be equal.
asciilifeform: which is same problem as in ordinary v.
asciilifeform: a gensym, in case anyone forgot, is defined as a symbol that is guaranteed to be unequal to all other invocations of gensym.
asciilifeform: what you need ordering for is if someone ~does~ break the no-old-antecedent-hashes-as-descendants rule
asciilifeform: you can ban it, as shown above in mircea_popescu's paste, by demanding that no new patch produce the antecedent of an old one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a cycle topologically, but given as it contains the genesis, the 'ant walker' stops at the genesis, and does not walk in circles.
asciilifeform: returns to genesis are topologically harmless and so were legal in my vtron (they cannot cause any kind of inconsistent behaviour.) note that a deedbotted vtron as discussed in today's thread, would still ban them.
mircea_popescu: ~so long as we ban niggers, politics will work ok. sure, the issue is how to ban them.
asciilifeform: for so long as you ban cycles, the graph is guaranteed to behave in the predictable and sane way i described when first released v.
mircea_popescu: actually, because of how we build the presses, ALL contexts are "so short" as this one ; in the sense the antecedent hash always suffices.
mircea_popescu: then therefore, do you agree with the proposition that signing S as long as S consists strtictly of computer code with no indication of context is a meaningless at best and dangerous at worst activity ?
asciilifeform: there is unfortunately not an escape from the clock. as per the lamportclock thread.
asciilifeform: not sure that deedbot as-it-now-is would do the trick though
asciilifeform: btw it does not require clock as such, only orderer.
mircea_popescu: again : there's no point in discussing solutions as part of discussing problems.
asciilifeform: with 1-patch-per-block, there can be no ambiguity as to who is responsible for closing a cycle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your 'cycle arbitrageur' is precisely the same devil as my cornered-node-creator and panopticonic gossipd observer.
mircea_popescu: if all patches are required to change a comment line in all files they touch, so that it contains the hash of that patch's intended antecessor ; then it is no longer possible to build cycles without deliberately hash-mining for them (because to close the cycle you will have to at one point claim as anterior an ulterior item).
mircea_popescu: specifically whether it shouldn't include a comment requirement as above.
mircea_popescu: this is fine, but the question is whether the specification as extent is correct
asciilifeform: i posted this as a litmus test of sorts, for vtrons.
asciilifeform: but -- and i'd rather that mircea_popescu do this in his head -- you can make a 'munchausen' where both steps (or however many, it can be as long as you like) reference the genesis.
mircea_popescu: suppose we had a rule stating that "all patches must include as a comment the patch upon they are to be applied" ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: davout i am fwiw satisfied the problem is as follows : that fielding schmuck is an academitard. therefore publish or perish. meanwhile for incomprehensible reasons people decided to name some obvious item "rest" and reference him, as if he had anything to do. this created the basis for an academitard position for him, and put him in the publish or perish wringer. so he came up with the other thing, because gotta come up with
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1589083 << the shortest cycle possible in v (assuming that all of the patches are valid, that is, actually produce the hashes they indicate as descendants, as outputted by gnudiff, as opposed to a hand-sewn crapolade which does not) is a->b->a. this happens if you have a patch 'c' that has 'b' as antecedent but 'a' as descendant. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: three stars epaulettes as seen in 2nd pic would conventionally indicate a us lieutenant-general, which is paid as an O[fficer]-9, 2nd highest.
mircea_popescu: as alf says, what happens should be all ulterior bits should fall off.
mircea_popescu: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1588738 ☝︎
mircea_popescu checks, the only time i even said the word it was used as a noun.
asciilifeform: i will rephrase again for clarity: for so long as you have 1 pubkey, which was used to make 1 seal, and that seal is for one, single patch, your only one, a genesis, you can display a flow. and literally every other file in .seals, .wot, .patches can be a lolcat.
mod6: also, as a note, i'll leave the anti-fuzz change in this new version -- it seems ~more~ correct than previous impl.
mod6: my v seems to do the correct thing by dying, but maybe showing the entire flow post breakage might be incorrect as well.
mod6: that's the same as saying : mod6@gentoo ~/sandbox-v $ ./v.pl a asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: priests can stay fat for so long as there is fat to harvest. for so long as ~other~ people economize.
mircea_popescu: anyway, idlewords guy is pretty much spot on as to how exactly silicon valley / "vc" etc world goes away. "Ray Kurzweil, who believes he will never die, has been a Google employee for several years now and is presumably working on that problem. There are a lot of people in Silicon Valley working on truly crazy projects under the cover of money." this is pretty much it, the byzantines found their way towards byzantinism, will
mircea_popescu: mod6 force is to be deployed as it becomes evident it's useful to deploy it, not randomly everywhere.