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mircea_popescu: i wonder what the prices for slaves would look like if the market was suddenly deluged with 300mn lazy, self entitled, "Consumers have come to expect" ish people.
mircea_popescu: or if not, we're repossessing all of the person's 5 billion cars, or whatever, 200 billion ipads.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, one could pay in heads of cattle. fifty billion of them or so.
mircea_popescu: o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next.
mircea_popescu: ie, every single us citizen is to hang for the debt. himself. personally. for the whole sum of it, 50 trillion or w/e it is.
mircea_popescu: i mean, joint and several, every single individual, individually.
mircea_popescu: and his point is entirely valid : when it comes to idiocy, blaming obama is pointless. blame the public.
mircea_popescu: what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"
mircea_popescu: decimation: < 'leadership' at its finest << no, he has a point, and it's perhaps the first time i've seen obama say something intelligent.
mircea_popescu: spies are worse than they ever were in the history of the world, with the exception of 1200.
mircea_popescu: his rise in fact exactly mirrors this particular economic change, where shitgnomes finally became able to breach into computing.
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure the us had this too, even if i wasn't there t o witness, for reasons like the beginning of gate's career, when he was a whiny turd outcast at computer conventions.
mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: i happen to know the guys and what they did, exhaustively and personally.
mircea_popescu: (note i am discussing strictly soviet satellites here, obviously each place has its own golden age)
mircea_popescu: the reason z80 era was secure was because governments, generally, COULD NOT be involved
mircea_popescu: a large portion of the insecurity today is due to the fact that people like poettering CAN be involved.
mircea_popescu: not exactly. but to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts and ideas.
mircea_popescu: i merely wish to point out that i had better games on the z80 than on the ipad.
mircea_popescu: but regardless, that's not how death comes to it. death comes to it like bitcoin came to the usd : first, it's a toy.
mircea_popescu: if the only way to make a secure signature is to take a day to do it, heck, you'll take a day.
mircea_popescu: this is false : when there is no alternative, no one "doesn't use" it because aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: jurov this discussion is along the lines of "nobody will use bitcoin if transactions take > x arbitrary time"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities << you're right that it's the wrong thought, and also, "customary" - honestly even making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost, is well worth it.
mircea_popescu: no one says you need a dielectric with conductive masks, you could use a conductor with dielectric masks ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: probably needs entirely new chemistry. << graphite base ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit trilema was discussing the "hard drtives discovery" a year ago ?
mircea_popescu: "Yet another article describing what we've known for a while : secure computing is in fact rendered impossible by the hardware itself, what with DMAi, what with defective separation of controlii with CPUs embedded in all the peripherals anyway and so on and so forth."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands. << fountains gotta fountain.
mircea_popescu: but then you gotta commit to make it a job. i think there's a pretty decent living in it, but whadda i know.
mircea_popescu: if you want, i can front you the capital to colo a few servers wherever you want, and work off that.
mircea_popescu: weren't you running an open bash server at some point ?
mircea_popescu: so it's not ACTUALLY a big deal in any sense. you're not supposed to run experiments in production.
mircea_popescu: what's left is essentially, "IP holders, and companies aspiring to be one day bought by ip holders"
mircea_popescu: considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury,
mircea_popescu: "1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT.
mircea_popescu: in this sense your senator's also your representative.
mircea_popescu: the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will.
mircea_popescu: (i don't care either way, each works, but i was lulz'd at your militant stance)