asciilifeform: if surrounded by monkeys, and for one reason or another can't call an exterminator - what to do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'antisocial' in this case is same kind of 'antisocial' as, e.g., mathematicians who won't ask to learn from redditors how to do topology 'correctly according to the kommyoonity!'
asciilifeform: perhaps ru subs are already in glasgow. without having to also keep scots as pets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ precisely why this outcome wasn't on the menu.
asciilifeform: 'lesswrong' would be a harmless heathen pit if not for the inescapable fact that it is a tarpit for a good number of otherwise intelligent folks
asciilifeform: by alliance with usg, on one front, and subterfuge / 'kool aid dosing' subversion of likely participants - on other front.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, he'd like to have a say in whether anyone gets to research.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you were to listen to mr. y, mis-programmed 'agi' is likely to, e.g., disassemble the known universe into constituent atoms to build a gigantic live mendeleev table. because it likes to sort things. or the like...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have an elaborate narrative where 'intelligence' can take on the role of uncontrolled fissile chain reaction (of the kind that was thought to be possible pre-1945)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'artificial general intelligence' in their parlance.
asciilifeform: decimation: may have posted, but i forget where and when
asciilifeform: the sheer density of epicycles the lw types lay on and on, to keep various dogma ('equality', etc) going - is something to behold.
asciilifeform: in that sense - yes. but with the usg-like mask of 'we will neuter you for your own good'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except that they subscribe to every dogma of present-day usg (incl. 'climate science', 'equality', 'democracy') and so maintain various pretenses.
asciilifeform: jurov: 'friendly' means something very particular to these folks. it means, developed under the dictatorial control of mr. y and his clique of fellators, in accordance with various 'rules' stated in his (often contradictory) blatherings.
asciilifeform actually FOIA'd all the available lenat material and still has thick binder of mildly interesting goodies
asciilifeform: jurov: not formally banned, no. but 'persona non grata'
asciilifeform: possibly a few survivors (in soviet captivity) but that was it.
asciilifeform: academic used to be an actual animal, extinct around same time as 'passenger pigeon'
asciilifeform: moriarty: in point of fact, given correct hardware design ('dataflow' machine) neither compilers nor 'parallelism' as conventionally understood - are necessary concepts at all.
asciilifeform plugs in 'read all books in the world for free' machine to recharge.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: It’s a one time universal library card << yes, yes it is.
asciilifeform: moriarty: all of these devices are quite the same from the standpoint of, e.g., 1970s hardware architect (in whose time there were actually multiple cpu paradigms in use)
asciilifeform: (re: smbx) must say that some things absolutely must be experienced to be understood. i went to considerable lengths to actually obtain the machine before i dared to write about it at any great length.
asciilifeform: xmj: in this particular space, the 'bigger system' often consists of a horde of idiots operating small systems.
asciilifeform: xmj: more fun - ferret out simplistic bots and rape them.
asciilifeform: if 'buy cheap, sell dear' is state-of-the-art, then yes, anyone can write bot.
asciilifeform always wonders, on first meeting a trading bot enthusiast, whether he considers basic game theory and contemplates counterpoint rape-bot answers to his strategies.
asciilifeform: moriarty: the 'support of the community' - that is, mainstream 'programmer culture' - is pure intellectual poison. the farther from it - the better.
asciilifeform: moriarty: when you pay $1m for a 'q' license, etc. you are buying out of having to carry out this labour.
asciilifeform: moriarty: in point of fact, any serious industrial use of a lisp proceeds by first creating just such a language for the system in question, and then programming in it.
asciilifeform: both of these are quite their own animals, and most users would make a face if you called it 'a lisp' - but they are as much 'a lisp' as newton and leibniz both had the 'calculus.'
asciilifeform: bounce: Forth is an example of 'lisp' re-invented by an outsider. there is another example - 'refal'. (soviet)
